Upcoming puzzles

[qwr]

FMC you can have a lot of people doing at once? aa long as no one is on their phone. big bld has increased difficulty while 6x6 and 7x7 is essentially the same difficulty (reduction method). they offer nothing unique in terms of solving. I'm not saying WCA should remove events for no reason, I'm saying if they have to sacrifice big cubes to get interesting unique puzzles like kilomimx, master pyraminx, curvy copter in, then it's a worthwhile trade-off.

now that I think about it, big bld is arguably too niche for the WCA. afaik few people are even interested in those events

 

[ap_]

no records are being stripped. the records still exist, like for feet and magic.
the same people who are good at 5x5 are good at 6x6 and 7x7. it's just a longer more repetitive version of 5x5.

I think there was debate whether to even add 6x6 and 7x7 but idk where I read that.

I like 6x6 and 7x7 because they last longer than the smaller events, events like 3x3 feel so meaningless and short that I almost don't feel like I did a solve on it.

 

[qwr]

I like 6x6 and 7x7 because they last longer than the smaller events, events like 3x3 feel so meaningless and short that I almost don't feel like I did a solve on it.

I think you are in the minority opinion. I and most cubers I know prefer quick events that don't take forever just to do an ao5.
also if we're picking events to sacrifice, also clock. it's the one puzzle left that clearly doesn't fit in with the rest.

 

[zslane]

That would be like removing the 100m dash from the Olympics just because it is over in 10 seconds. Ask those who run in that event if they think it is meaningless.

 

[qwr]

That would be like removing the 100m dash from the Olympics just because it is over in 10 seconds. Ask those who run in that event if they think it is meaningless.

100m dash is like 2x2 because it's the shortest race? 7x7 is more like a 100 mile ultra marathon 50 km racewalk which is apparently the longest Olympic race. Sorry racewalkers I think your event is too long.

 

[BenChristman1]

100m dash is like 2x2 because it's the shortest race? 7x7 is more like a 100 mile ultra marathon.

Spoiler: Okay, if you really want to do this

100 M = 2x2
200 M = 3x3
800 M = 4x4
1600 M = 5x5
5K (3.1 mi.) = 6x6
10K (6.2 mi.) = 7x7
100 M = Pyraminx
1600 M = Megaminx
100 M = Skewb
200 M = Square-1
200 M = Clock
400 M = OH
Marathon (26.2 mi.) = FMC
400 M = 3BLD
5K (3.1 mi.) = 4BLD
10K (6.2 mi.) = 5BLD
Marathon (26.2 mi.) = MBLD

My point is that you can’t get rid of events only based on length. In fact, you have to have a variety of lengths to make different events interesting. Cupstacking is no fun to watch, because anybody reasonably fast will do every event in under 10 seconds.

 

[Kaneki Uchiha]

why do you think clock should be removed?

 

[qwr]

Spoiler: Okay, if you really want to do this

100 M = 2x2
200 M = 3x3
800 M = 4x4
1600 M = 5x5
5K (3.1 mi.) = 6x6
10K (6.2 mi.) = 7x7
100 M = Pyraminx
1600 M = Megaminx
100 M = Skewb
200 M = Square-1
200 M = Clock
400 M = OH
Marathon (26.2 mi.) = FMC
400 M = 3BLD
5K (3.1 mi.) = 4BLD
10K (6.2 mi.) = 5BLD
Marathon (26.2 mi.) = MBLD

EDIT: My point is that you can’t get rid of events only based on length. In fact, you have to have a variety of lengths to make different events interesting. Cupstacking is no fun to watch, because anybody reasonably fast will do every event in under 10 seconds.

I disagree with your scale but the analogy doesnt really line up in any nice way.

Cupstacking is no fun not because it's fast but because it's the exact same motion. Same reason as magic and master magic.

 

[qwr]

why do you think clock should be removed?

Again, I am in favor of the WCA having more events and more leaderboards. I'm saying IF we had to sacrifice some events to include others (and not a meaningless sacrifice), clock is the odd one out being not a twisty puzzle at all which I feel is against the spirit of the world cube association. It's the reason why we don't consider the 15 puzzle or sliding puzzles in the WCA. Proper twisty puzzles like kilominx should have priority over clock.

Edit: more from the WCA archives. When magic was considered being removed, clock was considered too. https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/archive/forum_topics/499 The only reason clock was even included in the first place is because Rubik's made one which they don't anymore.

 

[2018AMSB02]

Wrong thread guys

 

[DNF_Cuber]

What the heck are these.

QiYi Magnetic Luban Lock Puzzle 3x3

The QiYi Magnetic Luban Lock Puzzle pulls apart to reveal different shapes of pieces. You can attempt to put them back into their cubic shape, or you can try out one of the many challenges/designs included in the included card pack!

www.thecubicle.com

qiyi, moyu, and fanxin versions on TC

 

[xyzzy]

What the heck are these.

QiYi Magnetic Luban Lock Puzzle 3x3

The QiYi Magnetic Luban Lock Puzzle pulls apart to reveal different shapes of pieces. You can attempt to put them back into their cubic shape, or you can try out one of the many challenges/designs included in the included card pack!

www.thecubicle.com

qiyi, moyu, and fanxin versions on TC

Looks like a Soma cube.

 

[zslane]

Yeah, not exactly a twisty puzzle...

 

[qwr]

Qiyi has recently produced a whole bunch of not twisty puzzles such as the 15 puzzle, klotski, and burr puzzles like this https://www.thecubicle.com/collections/qiyi-mofangge/products/burr-puzzle-18-arhats

I have a wooden one at home with not great tolerances during manufacturing so it wobbles. Qiyi should make metal disentaglement puzzles too. Some of those are extremely hard.

 

[DNF_Cuber]

Qiyi has recently produced a whole bunch of not twisty puzzles such as the 15 puzzle, klotski, and burr puzzles like this https://www.thecubicle.com/collections/qiyi-mofangge/products/burr-puzzle-18-arhats

I have a wooden one at home with not great tolerances during manufacturing so it wobbles. Qiyi should make metal disentaglement puzzles too. Some of those are extremely hard.

by metal disentanglement do you mean like hanayama? if so then heck yes, I love those. Also I made a burr puzzle in shop class and it's surprisingly difficult.

 

[qwr]

by metal disentanglement do you mean like hanayama? if so then heck yes, I love those. Also I made a burr puzzle in shop class and it's surprisingly difficult.

yes.
Also two minute papers recently published a video on AI solving of disentanglement puzzles which is super fascinating (like everything he posts)

 

[DNF_Cuber]

yes.
Also two minute papers recently published a video on AI solving of disentanglement puzzles which is super fascinating (like everything he posts)

some of the ones rated as hard in the video are level one hanayamas, like the ABC one, which took me like fifteen minutes, but impressive that the AI can do it!

 

[qwr]

I have some metal disentanglement puzzles at home in a cabinet somewhere. I should try them

 

[DNF_Cuber]

I have some metal disentanglement puzzles at home in a cabinet somewhere. I should try them

yes you should. I would like to see that AI go against the Enigma hanayama, which was thought to be impossible for years

Cast Enigma - Hanayama Metal Puzzle-H123

www.brilliantpuzzles.com

 

[qwr]

yes you should. I would like to see that AI go against the Enigma hanayama, which was thought to be impossible for years

Cast Enigma - Hanayama Metal Puzzle-H123

www.brilliantpuzzles.com

It did in the video. At least some two part version of it.