[Help Thread] ZBLL discussion

[LukasCubes]

I now know 85 out of the 493 ZBLL and counting. AKA that is %17.2413793103 of ZBLLs. Yes I googled it. Hopefully it will be 90 and over by thanksgiving.

 

[DNF_Cuber]

Yes I googled it.

Wow, you can divide with a calculator .does that mean you know 2gll, or were you learning other zblls?

 

[Cubing Forever]

I now know 83 out of the 493 ZBLL and counting. AKA that is %16.8356997972 of ZBLLs. Yes I googled it. Hopefully it will be 90 and over by thanksgiving.

I know only 8.51926977% of ZBLL

 

[LukasCubes]

Wow, you can divide with a calculator .does that mean you know 2gll, or were you learning other zblls?

i know 24 2GLL the rest is other ZBLL but i am working on the U 2GLL right now

I know only 8.51926977% of ZBLL

thats still a pretty good number for ZBLL

 

[GenTheSnail]

I now know 85 out of the 493 ZBLL and counting. AKA that is %17.2413793103 of ZBLLs.

I know only 8.51926977% of ZBLL

Nice work!
I have learned 80.16194332% of ZBLL, or 396 of 494 ZBLLs.

I am solidifying up a mirror set of L, and then am hoping to finish up the last 6 diag Ls before the end of the week. Then I will have a bunch of Sunes and Anti Sunes left. With luck, those will be finished before the end of the year, or at least before the end of January. Best of luck with your progress too!

 

[kubnintadni]

I have learned 0.8016194332% of ZBLL, or 396 of 494 ZBLLs.

Personally I think you're doing 100 times better than that at 396 ZBLLs, but who am I to say? /shrug

 

[Hazel]

I have learned 0.8016194332% of ZBLL, or 396 of 494 ZBLLs.

Ah... if you're using the % symbol, that'd be 80.16%. If you do it as a decimal like 0.8016%, you're saying you know 4 ZBLL cases xD

 

[GenTheSnail]

Ah... if you're using the % symbol, that'd be 80.16%. If you do it as a decimal like 0.8016%, you're saying you know 4 ZBLL cases xD

Well, to be fair, I do know 4 cases

 

[Cubing Forever]

Nice work!
I have learned 80.16194332% of ZBLL, or 396 of 494 ZBLLs.

I am solidifying up a mirror set of L, and then am hoping to finish up the last 6 diag Ls before the end of the week. Then I will have a bunch of Sunes and Anti Sunes left. With luck, those will be finished before the end of the year, or at least before the end of January. Best of luck with your progress too!

I'm going 2GLLs first, then TUL. Is that a good approach ?
And I miscounted. I almost forgot that I know almost all of COLL. My algcount now is 42 + 32 = 74 including full PLL. Whoa, what a big head start. For those who are wondering, I do know when the COLL I get skips PLL for all the algs that I know.

Hope you finish ZBLL soon

 

[LukasCubes]

Nice work!
I have learned 80.16194332% of ZBLL, or 396 of 494 ZBLLs.

I am solidifying up a mirror set of L, and then am hoping to finish up the last 6 diag Ls before the end of the week. Then I will have a bunch of Sunes and Anti Sunes left. With luck, those will be finished before the end of the year, or at least before the end of January. Best of luck with your progress too!

Nice, hope ya reach 100 soon

 

[GenTheSnail]

I'm going 2GLLs first, then TUL. Is that a good approach ?

It's hard to say, but those are the sets that most people who know ZBLL agree are worth it.

I might recommend that you learn TUL before you learn 2GLL, just because then you won't have to stop to recognize each case.

When you don't know any ZBLLs, everything is automatically an OCLL, and can be executed instantly. If you do know some ZBLLs across a couple OCLL sets, then you have to (pause) to make sure that you don't know the case before you proceed forward with an OCLL. That's a bunch of time spent just to do what you normally do.

 

[OreKehStrah]

Personally, I suspect the best approach to learning and implementing ZBLLs is to learn all the cases from each set that have stupid easy recognition first since the cases with fast recognition and good algs are the ones the are the most worth it. If you are at a decent enough speed you should be able to instantly recognize cases like T-32 where it’s F perm with the two swapping corners flipped for example. Then start to finish TUL, 2GLL, and the rest of you want.

 

[Bl4nk5]

I have started learning ZBLL few days ago. But, then I realised that I can't be Colour Neutral for it. I have been Colour Neutral since the start, and now I am thinking if it is worth learning ZBLL for giving up Colour Neutrality.
Anybody has solutions?

 

[LukasCubes]

How many ZBLL do you know? I am at 98

 

[Cubing Forever]

I have started learning ZBLL few days ago. But, then I realised that I can't be Colour Neutral for it. I have been Colour Neutral since the start, and now I am thinking if it is worth learning ZBLL for giving up Colour Neutrality.
Anybody has solutions?

Actually you can have no such problems with full CN. I know 90 ZBLLs and am quad CN. You just have to observe patterns.

 

[Bl4nk5]

How many ZBLL do you know? I am at 98

I just started. I am done with 5.

 

[LukasCubes]

I just started. I am done with 5.

nice, i dont think you should be messing with color neutrality wth ZBLL until you are done with it completely. At least I won't.

 

[xyzzy]

I have started learning ZBLL few days ago. But, then I realised that I can't be Colour Neutral for it. I have been Colour Neutral since the start, and now I am thinking if it is worth learning ZBLL for giving up Colour Neutrality.
Anybody has solutions?

My experience with ZBLL recog (and also PLL recog, for that matter) is that it's mostly the same regardless of what the LL colour is, although I still struggle with S and AS recognition on anything but white/yellow because I use weird recognition methods. If you're recognising the cases via same/adjacent/opposite patterns, colour neutral recognition should come "for free".

The only thing that's stopping you from being colour neutral with ZBLL is your mentality, basically.

 

[Bl4nk5]

My experience with ZBLL recog (and also PLL recog, for that matter) is that it's mostly the same regardless of what the LL colour is, although I still struggle with S and AS recognition on anything but white/yellow because I use weird recognition methods. If you're recognising the cases via same/adjacent/opposite patterns, colour neutral recognition should come "for free".

The only thing that's stopping you from being colour neutral with ZBLL is your mentality, basically.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[PapaSmurf]

If your recog system requires you to not be CN, you're doing it wrong, so you can definitely do it.

Here's a video on how to do 2 sided recog as long as you know 2 sided PLL (which can definitely be done CN), hope it helps!