Petrus

[Nir1213]

Algs are easier to optimise. If you want to be fast Roux and CFOP have a lot to optimise. Turning is a big one that applies to all events.




Also is big four even auccurate anymore. To be honest it is big two these says. Petrus is used by almost no one and ZZ popularity has wanned since Phil Yu's peak in 2011-2013.

really in reality if somone learned all of zz and its subsets they would have record breaking times but no one has really
it has really big potential
but the number algs is way too high

 

[Spacey10]

IMO almost all methods have a barrier where you have to learn an excessive amount of algs. For CFOP, Petrus and ZZ it's ZBLL. For Roux it's Pinkie Pie

 

[Owen Morrison]

really in reality if somone learned all of zz and its subsets they would have record breaking times but no one has really
it has really big potential
but the number algs is way too high

Many people have learned all the algs but still no one has gotten world class.

 

[BenChristman1]

For Roux it's Pinkie Pie

Ummm...what is this?

 

[PetraPine]

Ummm...what is this?

pinkie pie is pretty unnecesarry
if you want to be top level.
so i dont really think it compares to ZB(cfop) ZBLL(ZZ/Petrus) or Waterman(modern)/LMCF(modern+eg)

 

[Nir1213]

Many people have learned all the algs but still no one has gotten world class.

oof i meant ZB it potentially is slightly better than CFOP but its not worth learning 799 algs (including subsets)
its so much thats its basically a joke lel
the method itself without subsets needs 300 algs like waat

 

[PetraPine]

oof i meant ZB it potentially is slightly better than CFOP but its not worth learning 799 algs (including subsets)
its so much thats its basically a joke lel
the method itself without subsets needs 300 algs like waat

look at advanced solvers,
at the top level a lot of them already know most of zbll and do edge orientation through the solve.

 

[Username: Username:]

IMO almost all methods have a barrier where you have to learn an excessive amount of algs. For CFOP, Petrus and ZZ it's ZBLL. For Roux it's Pinkie Pie

Dude, why are you even bringing Pinkie Pie which has a lot of algs and not that better than Roux's most advanced variant for L10P (CMLL, EOLR-b then 4c) heck EOLR-b is almost intuitive.

Many people have learned all the algs but still no one has gotten world class.

What is your definition of world class first of all, out of all the people in the ZZ community, RadicalMacaroni on the forums is the closest to it and he has a lot of 4s (and a sub 7 average on cam, check out his channel, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCybeq2j5Wx3UbL8PJn4VO_A) most surprising thing of all is he doesn't even know full ZBLL.

 

[tx789]

really in reality if somone learned all of zz and its subsets they would have record breaking times but no one has really
it has really big potential
but the number algs is way too high

Why is that so much better than CFOP?

 

[Nir1213]

Why is that so much better than CFOP?

i never said it was better, just saying that you can get really fast with it because you dont have to do rotations and you can solve the cube with L, R, and U moves, which is really easy.

 

[Skewb_Cube]

i never said it was better, just saying that you can get really fast with it because you dont have to do rotations and you can solve the cube with L, R, and U moves, which is really easy.

But, I think ZZ requieres lots of regripes, I think...

 

[Kaneki Uchiha]

pinkie pie is nt worth it vanilla roux with eolr is the best roux variant

 

[Brayden_Speedcuber]

The reason I'd say it's bad is because you have to look at most of the pieces when solving, but with CFOP or Roux once you solve pieces you don't need to touch them anymore. Petrus is good for Feet and FMC though.

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

The reason I'd say it's bad is because you have to look at most of the pieces when solving, but with CFOP or Roux once you solve pieces you don't need to touch them anymore. Petrus is good for Feet and FMC though.

feet are obsolete

 

[Username: Username:]

But, I think ZZ requieres lots of regripes, I think...

Nope, that's in EOLine, in EOCross, regrips are practically non-existant but R-L switching might be a problem for some turning styles.

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

Nope, that's in EOLine, in EOCross, regrips are practically non-existant but R-L switching might be a problem for some turning styles.

lol why doesn't anyone talk about eo-cross instead of eo-line when saying zz is bad cause damn, eocross is like better cfop

 

[Owen Morrison]

What is your definition of world class first of all, out of all the people in the ZZ community, RadicalMacaroni on the forums is the closest to it and he has a lot of 4s (and a sub 7 average on cam, check out his channel, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCybeq2j5Wx3UbL8PJn4VO_A) most surprising thing of all is he doesn't even know full ZBLL.

In my opinion sub 7 global is world-class for 3x3.

 

[Owen Morrison]

Nope, that's in EOLine, in EOCross, regrips are practically non-existant but R-L switching might be a problem for some turning styles.

If they were non-existent then ZZ would have such a big margin over CFOP that surely at least someone would have gotten CLOSE to the times of the top CFOPers.

 

[PetraPine]

i never said it was better, just saying that you can get really fast with it because you dont have to do rotations and you can solve the cube with L, R, and U moves, which is really easy.

The real issue in alot of people's opinions is that L R turning is awkward for tps+lookahead
but this is at least somewhat negated by EOcross and some people looking ahead to first pair.

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

the threads called petrus so let's stop the zz talk