• Welcome to the Speedsolving.com, home of the web's largest puzzle community!
    You are currently viewing our forum as a guest which gives you limited access to join discussions and access our other features.

    Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community of 40,000+ people from around the world today!

    If you are already a member, simply login to hide this message and begin participating in the community!

Does anyone really use ZZ-Blah for their main method

Do you know anyone who uses ZZ-Blah as their main method

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • No

    Votes: 37 94.9%

  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .

N's-cvt

Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2020
Messages
119
To recap what ZZ-Blah is it is a vairiant of the ZZ or Petrus method where you solve F2L except your last slot and insert that last slot while de-orienting the LL corners reducing ZBLL to Pi and H cases or 112 algs.
So I wanted to generate the de-orientation algs but wanted to know if anyone (A) uses this method, and (B) may find the algs useful.
 

Hazel

Premium Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2017
Messages
1,681
Location
in your walls :3
Imo, ZZ-Blah would be best as a stepping stone to ZZ-a, except the problem is that pi and H are(from what I've heard) the worst of the ZBLL sets
Yep. If H and Pi were really good compared to the other ZBLL sets, then imo ZZ-Blah would be a much more viable method.
 

Tao Yu

Member
Joined
Jun 29, 2011
Messages
1,172
Location
Ireland
WCA
2012YUTA01
YouTube
Visit Channel
Had a look around and found these algs:




I've never figured out who the target audience of ZZ-blah is. Pi and H ZBLL are both pretty difficult to learn, and can be potentially slower than plain OLL/PLL unless you've practised the recognition a lot. Misorienting the corners doesn't require many algs, but does require the recognition of quite a few cases. So I can't quite see how it's a 1LLL for lazy people - you really need to work hard to get good at it.

ZZ-b strikes me as easier to learn and get fast at despite requiring a few more algs. Phasing is really easy and requires very few algs, and the recognition is easier because the algs come from easier sets, and because you know beforehand that the edges are phased.
 

PapaSmurf

Member
Joined
Jan 4, 2018
Messages
1,103
WCA
2016TUDO02
YouTube
Visit Channel
People don't use ZZ-blah because it's pretty bad. Instead just use ZZ-A. Learn the algs. ZZ-B is a bit better than blah, but it almost has no advantage over OCLL/PLL. 493 may seem like a big number, but it's not if you don't want to learn sunes and if you learn an alg every other day for just under 2 years (definitely doable).
 

N's-cvt

Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2020
Messages
119
So according to the poll and the replies I can conclude that there are hardly any ZZ-Blah users as the Pi and H sets are not the best ZBLL's and there are better alternatives, but do you think I should still generate the de-orientation algs or is there not really a reason to?
 

ProStar

Member
Joined
Oct 27, 2019
Messages
6,246
Location
An uncolonized sector of the planet Mars
WCA
2020MAHO01
SS Competition Results
So according to the poll and the replies I can conclude that there are hardly any ZZ-Blah users as the Pi and H sets are not the best ZBLL's and there are better alternatives, but do you think I should still generate the de-orientation algs or is there not really a reason to?



Had a look around and found these algs:




I've never figured out who the target audience of ZZ-blah is. Pi and H ZBLL are both pretty difficult to learn, and can be potentially slower than plain OLL/PLL unless you've practised the recognition a lot. Misorienting the corners doesn't require many algs, but does require the recognition of quite a few cases. So I can't quite see how it's a 1LLL for lazy people - you really need to work hard to get good at it.

ZZ-b strikes me as easier to learn and get fast at despite requiring a few more algs. Phasing is really easy and requires very few algs, and the recognition is easier because the algs come from easier sets, and because you know beforehand that the edges are phased.
 
Top