Does anyone really use ZZ-Blah for their main method

[ProStar]

literally how

H and Pi are harder to learn to recognize than sets like T, L, or U. Like Tao said:

I've never figured out who the target audience of ZZ-blah is. Pi and H ZBLL are both pretty difficult to learn, and can be potentially slower than plain OLL/PLL unless you've practised the recognition a lot. Misorienting the corners doesn't require many algs, but does require the recognition of quite a few cases. So I can't quite see how it's a 1LLL for lazy people - you really need to work hard to get good at it.

 

[edward_9x]

I know about 75-ish ZZLLs, and the alg quality really isn't that bad. Meanwhile, blah has no TUL (which are known to be the best ZBs) Compared to ZZ-blah, ZZ-b is actually a decent way of getting easy 1LLL.
Phasing also takes fewer moves than disorienting corners.

Also I reckon ZZ-b is not even that much worse than ZZ-a, especially since LL recog becomes stupidly fast, you can train your algs better (since there are fewer cases, and you'll be coming across the same cases more), and also because phasing barely adds 2 or 3 moves (sometimes even 0).

 

[Filipe Teixeira]

just use cfop or roux, the 1st and 2nd best methods lol

o7

 

[PapaSmurf]

just use cfop or roux, the 1st and 2nd best methods lol

o7

Eh. Standard references: this and this, kinda this (Also this.)

I know about 75-ish ZZLLs, and the alg quality really isn't that bad. Meanwhile, blah has no TUL (which are known to be the best ZBs) Compared to ZZ-blah, ZZ-b is actually a decent way of getting easy 1LLL.
Phasing also takes fewer moves than disorienting corners.

Also I reckon ZZ-b is not even that much worse than ZZ-a, especially since LL recog becomes stupidly fast, you can train your algs better (since there are fewer cases, and you'll be coming across the same cases more), and also because phasing barely adds 2 or 3 moves (sometimes even 0).

Ok, it's not a bad way necessarily, but it's also not as good as just learning full ZBLL eventually (and I guess obviously). The biggest flaws with ZZ-b: the extra phasing step is just a bit inconvenient, especially with split pair inserts; you miss out on some of the better algs, such as sune or the standard Pi alg; you incerase your chances of getting some of the slower algs, eg. the diag H algs contain two of the worst ZBLLs. They aren't really big time losses, but added together it becomes just that bit worse than ZZ-a. It can certainly be used as a stepping stone (and is definitely better than Blah), although I would still recommend just going straight to learning sets of ZBLL.