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Does anyone really use ZZ-Blah for their main method

Do you know anyone who uses ZZ-Blah as their main method

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • No

    Votes: 37 94.9%

  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .

N's-cvt

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To recap what ZZ-Blah is it is a vairiant of the ZZ or Petrus method where you solve F2L except your last slot and insert that last slot while de-orienting the LL corners reducing ZBLL to Pi and H cases or 112 algs.
So I wanted to generate the de-orientation algs but wanted to know if anyone (A) uses this method, and (B) may find the algs useful.
 

Tao Yu

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Had a look around and found these algs:




I've never figured out who the target audience of ZZ-blah is. Pi and H ZBLL are both pretty difficult to learn, and can be potentially slower than plain OLL/PLL unless you've practised the recognition a lot. Misorienting the corners doesn't require many algs, but does require the recognition of quite a few cases. So I can't quite see how it's a 1LLL for lazy people - you really need to work hard to get good at it.

ZZ-b strikes me as easier to learn and get fast at despite requiring a few more algs. Phasing is really easy and requires very few algs, and the recognition is easier because the algs come from easier sets, and because you know beforehand that the edges are phased.
 

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People don't use ZZ-blah because it's pretty bad. Instead just use ZZ-A. Learn the algs. ZZ-B is a bit better than blah, but it almost has no advantage over OCLL/PLL. 493 may seem like a big number, but it's not if you don't want to learn sunes and if you learn an alg every other day for just under 2 years (definitely doable).
 

N's-cvt

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So according to the poll and the replies I can conclude that there are hardly any ZZ-Blah users as the Pi and H sets are not the best ZBLL's and there are better alternatives, but do you think I should still generate the de-orientation algs or is there not really a reason to?
 

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So according to the poll and the replies I can conclude that there are hardly any ZZ-Blah users as the Pi and H sets are not the best ZBLL's and there are better alternatives, but do you think I should still generate the de-orientation algs or is there not really a reason to?


Had a look around and found these algs:




I've never figured out who the target audience of ZZ-blah is. Pi and H ZBLL are both pretty difficult to learn, and can be potentially slower than plain OLL/PLL unless you've practised the recognition a lot. Misorienting the corners doesn't require many algs, but does require the recognition of quite a few cases. So I can't quite see how it's a 1LLL for lazy people - you really need to work hard to get good at it.

ZZ-b strikes me as easier to learn and get fast at despite requiring a few more algs. Phasing is really easy and requires very few algs, and the recognition is easier because the algs come from easier sets, and because you know beforehand that the edges are phased.
 
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