Red Bull Rubik's Cube World Championships

Max Cruz said:
One good thing about this is there are now tiers of competition. Only the fastest get to compete. Unlike WCA competitions where 90% of competitors are whiny ten-year-olds (no offense to whiny ten-year-olds).

Think about the WCA as a training ground for the Rubik's competitions and the Olympics.
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WCA has been holding competitions for over a decade AND already has continental and World Championships. I will never see this as a level above the WCA Worlds
 
T1_M0 said:
Everything would be completely fine if just it wasn't called a World Championship. Say the name was Red Bull Rubik's Cube World Tour and no one would see it disabling the real worlds/euros.
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This plus qualifiers in more countries with events and formats that make more sense (OH bo3 no inspection and match the scramble lul) and this could be really cool.
 
We live in a free world where people can do anything they want (generally speaking...), and one should embrace that.

Using the example of other similar developing sports, I have seen this all before, and the moment that one group starts to 'panic' and calls for 'boycotts' and tries to somehow 'stop' or 'prevent' another group from holding an event, that has ALWAYS (historically) led to the eventual collapse of the group trying to block things. The world moves forward by DOING things, not by STOPPING OTHERS from doing things.

The correct attitude is to simply let history take its course. Either the event is successful and grows, or it will be a failure and that's the end. If two organizations want to independently compete and try to attract cubers, viewers, and sponsors, that is natural free competition and that is what our society is based upon. The moment that you start with a fear based mentality of trying block another group from doing something, then you become worse than them. If you are angry that Rubik is suing the cubicle, consider that the lawsuit is an act of blocking. By you (WCA members) trying to 'block' the Rubik's competition you are stooping down to the same level as them. If you want to take the high road and be the better group/organization, then you never try to block your competitor organization at all, but instead beat them at their own game by hosting better events. You win by doing your part well, not trying to prevent your opponent from succeeding. At a cubing competition, do you try to solve your fastest? Or do you try to sabotage your opponents? Both can lead to you winning the competition. One is honorable, the other leads to eventual disqualification.

I love what the WCA has done over the years, therefore I strongly urge *against* any type of boycotting activity, anti-advertising campaigns or anything like that, which historically ends badly.
 
I was wondering what the community's response to the CCA was when it was established? Was there just as much backlash?

I believe in letting Rubik's prove itself, i.e. giving them the benefit of the doubt. The WCA works, but sometimes, progress necessitates drastic changes.

After all, Blackberrys were good before the iPhone.
 
Max Cruz said:
I was wondering what the community's response to the CCA was when it was established? Was there just as much backlash?

I believe in letting Rubik's prove itself, i.e. giving them the benefit of the doubt. The WCA works, but sometimes, progress necessitates drastic changes.

After all, Blackberrys were good before the iPhone.
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Good point about BlackBerry phones. I hadn't thought of that, but it really is true.

If Rubik's does prove that it can do this, then they have every right to do it. I just hope the WCA doesn't go away (or the Cubicle.us).
 
Max Cruz said:
I was wondering what the community's response to the CCA was when it was established?
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Haiyan Zhuang founded that after he was banned and I think it was seen as a bit of a joke. No one took it too seriously. I don't think was heard of it at all. A little in 2010. China has always seemed distant. You don't see many Chinese Cubers on forums and facebook groups.
 
tx789 said:
Haiyan Zhuang founded that after he was banned and I think it was seen as a bit of a joke. No one took it too seriously. I don't think was heard of it at all. A little in 2010. China has always seemed distant. You don't see many Chinese Cubers on forums and facebook groups.
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It definitely wasn't seen as a joke or not being taken seriously. It was limited to the Chinese cubing community, so the cubing community outside of China didn't really notice much about it, but in China the CCA has caused quite some problems for the WCA organisers there, including threats and manipulations. And as far as I know, it wasn't founded by Haiyan Zhuang, but it was founded as a response to his suspension for manipulating and threatening behaviour by people who were on his side. For more information, read Chris Kruegers post here
 
You're all blind.

The issue is the impression that rubiks have left. When they initiated the lawsuit against TC they implied that they wanted to be in charge and were willing to go to extreme lengths to get their way. Now, when they announce this people automatically assume this is to take over cubing. And it very well could be an attempt.

I am totally against this.

As for everybody saying that we're overreacting, no, we're not. Rubik's have already cemented themselves as a pile of **** who only cares about money and doesn't think about the community. It's only reasonable to assume that it's the same for this, and judging by the reaction, it seems to be that way.

Max Cruz said:
One good thing about this is there are now tiers of competition. Only the fastest get to compete. Unlike WCA competitions where 90% of competitors are whiny ten-year-olds (no offense to whiny ten-year-olds).

Think about the WCA as a training ground for the Rubik's competitions and the Olympics.
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This is not true. I'm considered slow, and I'm not a "whiny ten-year old". Plenty of older cubers are not good enough to make it to the world championships, so I don't know why you're saying this.
 
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Micah Walker said:
https://www.worldcubeassociation.or...-the-red-bull-rubik-s-cube-world-championship
The WCA board recently posted a response to the cubing community's concerns about the Red Bull Rubik's Cube world championship.
Thoughts?
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I sincerely appreciate the kindness of spirit that everyone has about being supportive of people who will choose to participate in the Red Bull comp, but money will destroy kindness every time. I don't forsee this happening, but do you want to know how to just bury this thing in the sand? Have the WCA invalidate all the past results of anyone who chooses to participate in the Red Bull championships.

This would of course be a last ditch effort if there cannot be reconciliation with Rubiks, but I just have no patience for the type of spirit that Rubik's is taking regarding this whole thing. Fighting fire with fire would not lose with that sort of regulation. It also has the advantage of costing no money, from a practical perspective.
 
obelisk477 said:
I sincerely appreciate the kindness of spirit that everyone has about being supportive of people who will choose to participate in the Red Bull comp, but money will destroy kindness every time. I don't forsee this happening, but do you want to know how to just bury this thing in the sand? Have the WCA invalidate all the past results of anyone who chooses to participate in the Red Bull championships.

This would of course be a last ditch effort if there cannot be reconciliation with Rubiks, but I just have no patience for the type of spirit that Rubik's is taking regarding this whole thing. Fighting fire with fire would not lose with that sort of regulation. It also has the advantage of costing no money, from a practical perspective.
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I do not wish for the WCA to do a move like that, I would be extremely unpleased if they did. Just respect peoples decision on wether they want to compete or not. The biggest thing I've disliked about this whole situation is how people have labeled people who are competing in this as "sellouts" and have bashed them. This is not a community I want to see act like that.
 
Ordway Persyn said:
I do not wish for the WCA to do a move like that, I would be extremely unpleased if they did. Just respect peoples decision on wether they want to compete or not. The biggest thing I've disliked about this whole situation is how people have labeled people who are competing in this as "sellouts" and have bashed them. This is not a community I want to see act like that.
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I don't think they've sold out either, and my suggestion was merely a suggestion of a possible solution. And I think you can still respect their decision and support such an aforementioned regulation.

I've seen no one suggest a real solution to this problem that would resolve it completely in this thread, and this idea does that. The community is virtually in agreement that the Red Bull competition, if it continues in the manner that it seems to be going currently, should not be held and is in poor taste. The suggested regulation was not meant to be an affront to those who have already committed at all, but moreso a statement to Rubiks, and would effectively force them into talks about how to work together with the WCA. It could even be a bluff for all I care.

TL;DR My previous statement was a suggested pragmatic solution to force Rubiks hand, not an attack on interested competitors. It is not out of spite at all, but instead would be something the WCA could do that would actually have some teeth to it in dealing with this issue.
 
obelisk477 said:
I don't think they've sold out either, and my suggestion was merely a suggestion of a possible solution. And I think you can still respect their decision and support such an aforementioned regulation.

I've seen no one suggest a real solution to this problem that would resolve it completely in this thread, and this idea does that. The community is virtually in agreement that the Red Bull competition, if it continues in the manner that it seems to be going currently, should not be held and is in poor taste. The suggested regulation was not meant to be an affront to those who have already committed at all, but moreso a statement to Rubiks, and would effectively force them into talks about how to work together with the WCA. It could even be a bluff for all I care.

TL;DR My previous statement was a suggested pragmatic solution to force Rubiks hand, not an attack on interested competitors. It is not out of spite at all, but instead would be something the WCA could do that would actually have some teeth to it in dealing with this issue.
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I get were your coming from, but I don't think it's the right solution.
 
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