[WR] Feliks Zemdegs - 25.97 4x4 average

Cale S said:
4-7 are very similar events, so it's really just that he's very good at cubic puzzles

In terms of overall skill in cubing over every event, I'd say someone like Jay or Antoine are better, but Feliks is definitely far ahead in skill level for many of the nxn puzzles
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We just disagree about what makes someone "good." It's very subjective, and I won't attempt to argue that my interpretation is more correct as there's no reason it is. But sum of ranks isn't it to me. Being in the top 20 or 50 or something in the world isn't significant compared to being number 1. Pushing the limits of cubing is more significant to me than being well rounded. To me, if you hold a few world records, you're better than if you are really high up there in terms of sum of ranks. For example, at the time of 2015 worlds I'd have considered Kevin Hays better than Jay.

I think the nxn events are less similar than you're suggesting. Many people are only good at 3 and 4, or 3, 4, and 5. Many people who are great at 5-7 are crap at 4. Many people specialize in one nxn event (Weyer with 4x4 or Hays with 6x6 and many people with 3x3). In terms of events that go together, I feel like BLD is more that way than nxn. To me, having dominance over most of the BLD field (Marcell Endrey, Kaijun Lin, Maskow) is not as significant as what Feliks has done. Since you're a very accomplished BLD solver I'd love to hear your thoughts on that, Cale.
 
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IRNjuggle28 said:
We just disagree about what makes someone "good." It's very subjective, and I won't attempt to argue that my interpretation is more correct as there's no reason it is. But sum of ranks isn't it to me. Being in the top 20 or 50 or something in the world isn't significant compared to being number 1. Pushing the limits of cubing is more significant to me than being well rounded. To me, if you hold a few world records, you're better than if you are really high up there in terms of sum of ranks. For example, at the time of 2015 worlds I'd have considered Kevin Hays better than Jay.

I think the nxn events are less similar than you're suggesting. Many people are only good at 3 and 4, or 3, 4, and 5. Many people who are great at 5-7 are crap at 4. Many people specialize in one nxn event (Weyer with 4x4 or Hays with 6x6 and many people with 3x3). In terms of events that go together, I feel like BLD is more that way than nxn. To me, having dominance over most of the BLD field (Marcell Endrey, Kaijun Lin, Maskow) is not as significant as what Feliks has done. Since you're a very accomplished BLD solver I'd love to hear your thoughts on that, Cale.
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Completely agree.

Isn't it even MORE significant, then, that Feliks is faster at 4x4 than Weyer, and faster at 6x6 (5-7) than Hays, when they specialise in those events in isolation? To me, this is the most impressive part of the achievement, regardless of the similarity (or not) of NxN cuboid events.

Also, it's the fluidity of Feliks solves that makes them so fast. Kevin actually comments on this in one of his recent videos - he has higher TPS than Faz, but Faz is more fluid (read "efficient" also?). I think this comes down to exceptional lookahead, which wouldn't help at all in 2x2, as at the very top it's effectively "spot case, spam TPS", and the WR will eventually be sub 1 by someone who truly specialises in 2x2 and has crazy TPS.


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pipkiksass said:
Completely agree.

Isn't it even MORE significant, then, that Feliks is faster at 4x4 than Weyer, and faster at 6x6 (5-7) than Hays, when they specialise in those events in isolation? To me, this is the most impressive part of the achievement, regardless of the similarity (or not) of NxN cuboid events.

Also, it's the fluidity of Feliks solves that makes them so fast. Kevin actually comments on this in one of his recent videos - he has higher TPS than Faz, but Faz is more fluid (read "efficient" also?). I think this comes down to exceptional lookahead, which wouldn't help at all in 2x2, as at the very top it's effectively "spot case, spam TPS", and the WR will eventually be sub 1 by someone who truly specialises in 2x2 and has crazy TPS.


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Did he really said that his TPS is higher? That is really, really bold statement, given that he is 10 seconds slower in 7x7 and 8 seconds slower in 6x6 than Feliks. Of course efficiency also plays a big role, but I don't think he has much more moves in his solves.

Also I don't quite understand the part about fluidity. High TPS is a compound of turning fast and not having many pauses (which is basically fluency)
 
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Sajwo said:
Did he really said that his TPS is higher? That is really, really bold statement, given that he is 10 seconds slower in 7x7 and 8 seconds slower in 6x6 than Feliks. Of course efficiency also plays a big role, but I don't think he has much more moves in his solves.

Also I don't quite understand the part about fluidity. High TPS is a compound of turning fast and not having many pauses (which is basically fluency).
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Kevin said that he turns faster with more pauses while Feliks turns slower and has smoother solves, both resulting in similar times.
He said that when he was comparing 6x6's, specifically about how he found the WeiShi GTS (Feliks's main) way too slow.
 
Sajwo said:
Did he really said that his TPS is higher? That is really, really bold statement, given that he is 10 seconds slower in 7x7 and 8 seconds slower in 6x6 than Feliks. Of course efficiency also plays a big role, but I don't think he has much more moves in his solves.

Also I don't quite understand the part about fluidity. High TPS is a compound of turning fast and not having many pauses (which is basically fluency)
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Ok, I should have said raw turning speed, rather than TPS, which is average turning speed for a solve. Otherwise, completely stand by all of my points.


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pipkiksass said:
I think this comes down to exceptional lookahead, which wouldn't help at all in 2x2, as at the very top it's effectively "spot case, spam TPS", and the WR will eventually be sub 1 by someone who truly specialises in 2x2 and has crazy TPS.


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Look ahead would help considering top 2x2ers "look ahead" every solve from inspection. Also there are people who "truly specialize" in 2x2 and the first 2 sub 1 averages stackmated came like last week and I would consider them very questionable.
 
WACWCA said:
Nope, they were both posted on fb but they both avg like 2.5-3 and one of them uses LBL and "intuitive EG-1"
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Then again global average and method don't matter, all you need is 4 4-movers in a row. I average 4-5 seconds and I'm pretty sure I'd get a sub1 ao5 with those.

Not saying it's legit though.
 
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