Petrus, just as good as Fridrich

[joey]

Comparing just Fridrich and Petrus (I mean the people, not the method) isn't good enough (I don't want to go into all statistical detail)

Wow, you totally missed the point of the first post.

 

[PatrickJameson]

Haha, nice find!

(also, I lol'd at some posts in this thread that thought this was actually a comparison between methods .)

 

[tim]

None of it is any proof. DO you really want to do some statistical analysis to it? You know, there are also plenty of people around who use fridrich and are no where near where Lars is. Same applies to people who use Petrus too, of course. Chance of scrambles being better for one method better than the other is involved too. Comparing just Fridrich and Petrus (I mean the people, not the method) isn't good enough (I don't want to go into all statistical detail)

Could you please use your brain before posting? Thanks!

 

[(X)]

jhong ,the guy tried to funny(he was too), not to say anything about which method is the best

 

[guusrs]

****TIE BREAKER****

http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?allResults=All+Results&competitionId=WC1982

petrus wins

Really? I think Guus uses Fridrich.

CLL / ELL with cross F2L, not exactly Fridrich.

WC 1982 proofs corners-first is the best speedsolving method: 1st & 3th place!

And at that same WC I used Fridrich for F2L, Fridrich did not!

Gus

 

[EmersonHerrmann]

Oh my god...that's so weird!

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

And at that same WC I used Fridrich for F2L, Fridrich did not!

Gus

Quote taken from Fridrich's page:

The first prize was a plane ticket to Budapest to the first World Championship.
[...]Later in 1982, I changed my F2L system to the current system. Before, I would do the first layer and then insert two cubies from the last layer into the middle layer. I developed the algorithms and also algorithms that moved / flipped the cubies in the middle layer.

"Fridrich F2L" wasn't invented by Fridrich, of course.

 

[pcharles93]

She should only be credited for creating the algorithms for every case for the FOP of CFOP. I remember reading somewhere in a post that OLL and PLL wasn't originally Fridrich's idea either.

 

[blah]

Well actually if you wanna put it that way, then she really isn't worth being credited much, since no one today uses any of her original OLL/PLL algs

 

[ImNOTnoob]

Well, her algs are not that finger trick friendly..
I really didn't enjoy her algs.

 

[MistArts]

She should only be credited for creating the algorithms for every case for the FOP of CFOP. I remember reading somewhere in a post that OLL and PLL wasn't originally Fridrich's idea either.

I think Mike and Kenneth uses her H-perm.

 

[IamWEB]

So pretty soon I'll be sub-Fridrich right?

 

[brunson]

She should only be credited for creating the algorithms for every case for the FOP of CFOP. I remember reading somewhere in a post that OLL and PLL wasn't originally Fridrich's idea either.

[sarcacm]And Einstein only came up with that one crappy little equation, he was just a hack and should be discounted for making any contribution to modern science.[/sarcasm]

 

[somerandomkidmike]

Just wait until I sub-8 average with edges first.

I was being sarcastic by the way

 

[qqwref]

She should only be credited for creating the algorithms for every case for the FOP of CFOP. I remember reading somewhere in a post that OLL and PLL wasn't originally Fridrich's idea either.

I hope you are being sarcastic.


To all of you who actually believe Fridrich does not deserve credit: the real reason the method is referred to as the Fridrich method is not because she is the one and only inventor of the method, but because her website was the most informative and useful speedcubing website (by far) when the cubing fad started up again in 2002 or so. When people started up speedcubing again, they had to learn a method, right? And Fridrich's website promised an average of 17 seconds, and not only that, it also had the algorithms for every step of the method, as well as discussions about the limits of speedcubing and so on. If you think back to that time, when most websites had simple methods and said something like "I used to average 25 seconds with this method back in 1981", when tutorial videos hadn't even been invented yet and there were pretty much no advanced methods (ZB, VH, Roux, Heise), no huge lists of algorithms, no CubeExplorer, etc.... I'm sure you can see how ridiculously useful that website was. Don't think of Fridrich as the inventor (because she probably wasn't), think of her as the coach for the first generation of 21st century speedcubers.

 

[brunson]

Apparently the method was known as Fridrich even in 1981. From her narrative:

A guy was sitting next to me playing with the cube. I asked him about his system. He said: "I am using the Fridrich method." I asked with a surprise in my voice: "You actually memorized ALL algorithms?" His answer was: "No, that's too much. I know only some of them." I replied with: "Well, you need to memorize all of them otherwise you are not really utilizing its strength." He looked at me frawning and said with his mouth half open: "Yeah, so what's your system?" I answered with a big smile: "I use the Fridrich method, too, because I am Fridrich." He did not blink an eye, did not say anything and handed me his messed-up cube. I solved the cube in about 20 seconds to prove my words and we both laughed at the coincidence.

Even more impressive than figuring out her algorithms without a computer, she derived many of them without even a cube:

I got my hands on a primitive solving system from a Russian magazine Kvant long before I actually owned the cube. I would analyze simple moves and their action on a piece of paper, trying to figure out algorithms based on the commutator principle.

 

[IamWEB]

^^^That would explain why the algorithms aren't so good- they weren't made fingertrick friendly, they were made from logical thinking and understanding.

Kudos to Fridrich. =]

Also, the above 2 posts have just made me appreciate her site much more. I liked the site, but I never really explored it... until now.

 

[Hellena]

Could somebody tell me how long does it take to build the f2l with the petrus method?

 

[shelley]

Could somebody tell me how long does it take to build the f2l with the petrus method?

Could you learn some forum etiquette?