2-look LS+LL combinations

[mark49152]

One of the problems with LS/LL variants is that unless you force your last slot to always be FR, you need to mirror the LS part four ways (assuming rotation defeats the purpose). Which of the alg sets mentioned here are practical to do that with?

 

[OLLiver]

most decent speedcubers finish with the FR or sometimes FB as LS

 

[shadowslice e]

One of the problems with LS/LL variants is that unless you force your last slot to always be FR, you need to mirror the LS part four ways (assuming rotation defeats the purpose). Which of the alg sets mentioned here are practical to do that with?

If you do Eo first you don't have to mirror so if you reply want only 1 LS I would learn Eo first

 

[United Thought]

What about WV + PLLEF? (Only works for 0 oriented edges.)

 

[mark49152]

most decent speedcubers finish with the FR or sometimes FB as LS

Most decent speedcubers can solve to any slot even if they try to finish on FR (and I assume you mean BR).

If you do Eo first you don't have to mirror so if you reply want only 1 LS I would learn Eo first

I don't get that. How does EO influence which slot you finish on?

 

[DizzypheasantZZ]

VLS/RLS finish with PLL, not ZBLL.

Yeah I didn't think about that, meant PLL

 

[shadowslice e]

I don't get that. How does EO influence which slot you finish on?

it doesn't but if you do eo the last pair can only face in one direction relative to the last slot so you can remove one mirror and therefore the number of cases.

In addition, the last slot can also be rotated to FR and still be exactly the same no matter which slot it is inserted into.

however, regarding the bit above, I would agree that most speed cubers should be able to insert into different slots but this could be solved with a rotation rather than mirroring most of the time

 

[Petro Leum]

it doesn't but if you do eo the last pair can only face in one direction relative to the last slot so you can remove one mirror and therefore the number of cases.

In addition, the last slot can also be rotated to FR and still be exactly the same no matter which slot it is inserted into.

however, regarding the bit above, I would agree that most speed cubers should be able to insert into different slots but this could be solved with a rotation rather than mirroring most of the time

wrong

 

[mark49152]

it doesn't but if you do eo the last pair can only face in one direction relative to the last slot so you can remove one mirror and therefore the number of cases.

OK, you reduce the number of cases, at the cost of expending some moves on EO, but for each case you still need to be able to solve to any of the four slots (assuming rotation defeats the purpose).

 

[IAmAPerson]

What about WV + PLLEF? (Only works for 0 oriented edges.)

There's actually a LSLL method that stems off of winter variation: WV + COALL. There are <160 cases, I think.

EDIT: I can't seem to find algs for COALL/CPELL. Should I take on the task of generating them myself?

 

[Berkmann18]

There's actually a LSLL method that stems off of winter variation: WV + COALL. There are <160 cases, I think.

EDIT: I can't seem to find algs for COALL/CPELL. Should I take on the task of generating them myself?

CPELL can be found on sarah.cubing.net


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[supercavitation]

CPELL can be found on sarah.cubing.net


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I also have algs, though most of mine suck.

 

[xitvono]

Sarah's site has OLLCP algs for when the corners are oriented, not CPELL algs.

 

[IAmAPerson]

What's kinda sad about CPELL is that only the ELLs can be 2-gen (<M, U>).

 

[shadowslice e]

TCLL+L5E? (sort of falls under this category but it really depends on what you would call a LS/LL, could be a double LS in a way)

Variants:
ZZ: Most efficient way, edges already oriented, you could in theory one look this but it would be kind of hard to do it quickly (recog CLS, recog L5E (all oriented), perhaps I'll call this ZZLL-SS ;-P)
CFOP: partial cross, solve 3 pairs+1 edge
The method I described in the new method/substep/concept thread, sort of heise (MCELL)
Petrus: insert 1 pair rather than building a 1x2x2 to make an F2L-1
Roux: Basically turns it into a FreeFop variant. CLS replaces CMLL. L5E
Basically another method you would care to think of as well as long as it has something of an F2L (ie. No corners first etc)

 

[ottozing]

VLS pls