Will the Fridrich method ever be beaten?

[Escher]

yes but... perhaps Erik A has just got more raw talent? I REALLY AM NOT TRYING TO INSULT ERIK J but that is always a factor you have to consider...

dammit, i quit fridrich!

i actually am going to, right now. no more fridrich f2l. im going to take a +50s hit to my times (im rubbish at EOLine) but i dont care!

this will be fun

 

[fanwuq]

About the thing a few pages back, there is someone who is non-fridrich and puts as much time into their cubes as Erik (and others)...Erik Akkersdijk has been cubing for about 3 maybe 3 1/2 years and he's around 11 seconds. Erik Johannes has been cubing for 5 YEARS with petrus so he's put in even more time with a different method .

Erik Johnson and Johannes Laire. I doubt either one of them is at 5 years yet.

 

[MistArts]

I think Petrus would have more potential if someone comes up some crazy URF after the 2x2x2 block.

 

[yurivish]

yes but... perhaps Erik A has just got more raw talent? I REALLY AM NOT TRYING TO INSULT ERIK J but that is always a factor you have to consider...

dammit, i quit fridrich!

i actually am going to, right now. no more fridrich f2l. im going to take a +50s hit to my times (im rubbish at EOLine) but i dont care!

this will be fun

Sweet. My best average with Fridrich was around 25 seconds when I decided to switch this summer, when that thread came out.

I now use ZZ as my main method and my best average is 20.60, and I can average 22-23.x fairly easily. I'm still rubbish at EOline too; I only preinspect the EO and rely on luck/skill to find the 2 (or 4, quite often) edge pieces I need to place as I am orienting the edges.

It'll be annoying for a while and you'll want to quit, but I think it's a more fun method and that once you get the hang of it you'll enjoy it.

 

[ErikJ]

Erik Johannes.

Erik Johnson* lol

Erik Johnson and Johannes Laire. I doubt either one of them is at 5 years yet.

yeah this is my 5th year

If my physical speed was as good as some other cubers I could probably get 12 second averages. idk if sub 10 averages are possible with petrus. I'm slowly getting better so we'll see

 

[qqwref]

Erik Johannes would be such a beast at Petrus... I mean... wow... I can't even imagine it :O

 

[ErikJ]

Erik Johannes would be such a beast at Petrus... I mean... wow... I can't even imagine it :O

ha ha, I haven't heard from Johannes, Anthony Hsu or Kyle in a long time. I might be alone in the sub 15 circle

 

[Skrato]

yes but... perhaps Erik A has just got more raw talent? I REALLY AM NOT TRYING TO INSULT ERIK J but that is always a factor you have to consider...

dammit, i quit fridrich!

i actually am going to, right now. no more fridrich f2l. im going to take a +50s hit to my times (im rubbish at EOLine) but i dont care!

this will be fun

Sweet. My best average with Fridrich was around 25 seconds when I decided to switch this summer, when that thread came out.

I now use ZZ as my main method and my best average is 20.60, and I can average 22-23.x fairly easily. I'm still rubbish at EOline too; I only preinspect the EO and rely on luck/skill to find the 2 (or 4, quite often) edge pieces I need to place as I am orienting the edges.

It'll be annoying for a while and you'll want to quit, but I think it's a more fun method and that once you get the hang of it you'll enjoy it.

Erik Johannes.

Erik Johnson* lol

Erik Johnson and Johannes Laire. I doubt either one of them is at 5 years yet.

yeah this is my 5th year

If my physical speed was as good as some other cubers I could probably get 12 second averages. idk if sub 10 averages are possible with petrus. I'm slowly getting better so we'll see

Sorry for being a little ignorant, but I've done a search and can't find this EOLine thing, can someone please point me to this method? I've been looking for a new method to learn since I got sub-20 on Fridrich

 

[Escher]

searching for ZZ method, i found this on the fourth result.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5180&highlight=ZZ+method

 

[rachmaninovian]

Erik Johannes would be such a beast at Petrus... I mean... wow... I can't even imagine it :O

ha ha, I haven't heard from Johannes, Anthony Hsu or Kyle in a long time. I might be alone in the sub 15 circle

someone here in singapore claims to average 15s with petrus...haha

 

[Skrato]

searching for ZZ method, i found this on the fourth result.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5180&highlight=ZZ+method

Ah thanks a lot, I was searching EOLine not ZZ

 

[krazedkat]

1. Petrus is good but not as popular
2. ZB might overthrow it
3. What is MLGS?

 

[not_kevin]

3. What is MLGS?

MGLS - Makisumi Garron Last Slot (http://cube.garron.us/MGLS/)

 

[krazedkat]

So. MGLS is kind of like the keyhole method?

 

[*LukeMayn*]

no, it puts the OLL witht the last slot.
so you do all the rest like normal until the last slot. Then you orient edges while inserting the last slot edge, and then you put in the last slot corner and orient the LL corners at the same time.

 

[krazedkat]

So its similar to ZB but instead of the cross it COMPLETELY orients it ...

 

[brunson]

So its similar to ZB but instead of the cross it COMPLETELY orients it ...

Have considered reading the link that was posted? It's unlike ZB because it uses two algorithms to finish the last slot, but it does skip OLL.

 

[BigSams]

mgls is like an alternative to Fridrich, but has exactly the same avger number of moves.

Fridrich: Cross + Slot 1 + Slot 2 + Slot 3 + Slot 4 + OLL + PLL
MGLS: Cross + Slot 1 + Slot 2 + Slot 3 + ELS + CLS + PLL

Therefore, they have the same number of step, and for the skeptics out there, yes, the combined avg move-count for ELS + CLS + PLL equals Slot 4 + OLL + PLL. How? Because:
ELS + CLS + PLL = 6.5 + 9.5 + 12 = 28 moves avg
Slot 4 + OLL + PLL = 7.0 + 9.0 + 12 = 28 moves avg
also, i would think that the recognition of mgls cases are harder, and there are more ELS + CLS cases than OLL + PLL. so there really is no point in learning it unless you just want to be different from the mainstream "fridrich clones", as lucas garron (this method's developer) would put it.

 

[yurivish]

mgls is like an alternative to Fridrich, but has exactly the same avger number of moves.

Fridrich: Cross + Slot 1 + Slot 2 + Slot 3 + Slot 4 + OLL + PLL
MGLS: Cross + Slot 1 + Slot 2 + Slot 3 + ELS + CLS + PLL

Therefore, they have the same number of step, and for the skeptics out there, yes, the combined avg move-count for ELS + CLS + PLL equals Slot 4 + OLL + PLL. How? Because:
ELS + CLS + PLL = 6.5 + 9.5 + 12 = 28 moves avg
Slot 4 + OLL + PLL = 7.0 + 9.0 + 12 = 28 moves avg
also, i would think that the recognition of mgls cases are harder, and there are more ELS + CLS cases than OLL + PLL. so there really is no point in learning it unless you just want to be different from the mainstream "fridrich clones", as lucas garron (this method's developer) would put it.

I thought that MGLS cases were, in general, more fingertrick-friendly than OLL cases. Is this the case?

 

[a small kitten]

However, MGLS is godly with petrus.