How to be sub 20

[NooberCuber]

Funny that you say that, 'cos I was right now trying those U-perms and for me it's the other way around. I M2 (e.g. H-perm) with my left ring & middle so, the problem for me is to do the CCW U, which has U' and the solution I tried to use was, can you guess...? japanese OH U flick but with my right index to do the U' but, yeah, it's "a bit" awkward.

Also, how do you do the M? I'm trying with my (left) ring finger, pushing with the back of the finger on the FD sticker but I feel clumsy doing that. And, of course, r' R is too slow (but I still use it in one OLL out of lazyness to improve that, can you guess which OLL?).

Anyway, I will take the opportunity to try different PLLs now that I'm learning them. Perhaps if I get faster with these I will drop the one for my current orientation (2nd alg in TDM lists, 'cos my current orientation is y2 orientation on that list).

I use the M2 U M' U perms
for example M2 U M U2 M' U M2
I do M2 with left hand and U2 with right
I do the M2 with with my left ring and middle fingers
but I keep my middle finger on the DF sticker or invetween the DF and the bottom center which is where it winds up for me
Do the U with my left index
WHILE moving my middle finger back to DB
PUSH my middle figner from DB to BU
and the rest of the alg is easy
hard to explain but hope that helped

also for OLL 28
with the unsolved edges om UB and UL
M' U M U2 M' U M
Do the M' with my ring finger
keep it there while I do rhe U then slide back and push with the ring finger

also how do you do the footbote things on pots where people post pbs and things? i don't know lol

 

[mafergut]

I use the M2 U M' U perms
for example M2 U M U2 M' U M2
I do M2 with left hand and U2 with right
I do the M2 with with my left ring and middle fingers
but I keep my middle finger on the DF sticker or invetween the DF and the bottom center which is where it winds up for me
Do the U with my left index
WHILE moving my middle finger back to DB
PUSH my middle figner from DB to BU
and the rest of the alg is easy
hard to explain but hope that helped

also for OLL 28
with the unsolved edges om UB and UL
M' U M U2 M' U M
Do the M' with my ring finger
keep it there while I do rhe U then slide back and push with the ring finger

also how do you do the footbote things on pots where people post pbs and things? i don't know lol

Hi. I have tried as you say for Ms, pushing DB up to BU and it works for me better than the other option. I even started to get 2sec times for the whole alg, which is close to my best times with my old algs. But that is for the alg with Us, where I can do M2 with left ring and middle, as you say. The problem is with the opposite alg, where you have U'. To free my left finger I need to do M2 with the right hand and that I'm terrible at, so the whole alg is very clumsy and it takes like 4-5 secs I'll take a lot of practice to gain dexterity for M2 with my right hand

I have also tried the OLL, which you guessed right, and yeah, I think I can manage to change habit and use this other M/M' style of turning.

 

[NooberCuber]

Hi. I have tried as you say for Ms, pushing DB up to BU and it works for me better than the other option. I even started to get 2sec times for the whole alg, which is close to my best times with my old algs. But that is for the alg with Us, where I can do M2 with left ring and middle, as you say. The problem is with the opposite alg, where you have U'. To free my left finger I need to do M2 with the right hand and that I'm terrible at, so the whole alg is very clumsy and it takes like 4-5 secs I'll take a lot of practice to gain dexterity for M2 with my right hand
I have also tried the OLL, which you guessed right, and yeah, I think I can manage to change habit and use this other M/M' style of turning.

You talking about the clockwise U perm with the solved edge in the back?
M2 U' M U2 M' U' M2
I do the M2 with my left hand and as usual
While i'm doing the M2 I put the tip of my right index on the FRU sticker
then push FRU to RUB
Push the M
Then do the U2 but I leave my index where i is after the U2 since it's already near the FRU sticker
keep it there while I do the M'
then push back with my right index to RUB
and finish the alg

 

[mafergut]

also how do you do the footbote things on pots where people post pbs and things? i don't know lol

I forgot to answer to that. Go to Settings in the upper-right menu of the forum and then in the left menu in "My Settings" you have "Edit Signature" and there you can edit it, put your PBs or whatever you like ;-)

 

[mafergut]

You talking about the clockwise U perm with the solved edge in the back?
M2 U' M U2 M' U' M2
I do the M2 with my left hand and as usual
While i'm doing the M2 I put the tip of my right index on the FRU sticker
then push FRU to RUB
Push the M
Then do the U2 but I leave my index where i is after the U2 since it's already near the FRU sticker
keep it there while I do the M'
then push back with my right index to RUB
and finish the alg

Interesting approach. I am already trying that, it could be a good compromise for me. The one with Us I already can do it in almost the same 2sec that I did my old ones. Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

 

[NooberCuber]

Interesting approach. I am already trying that, it could be a good compromise for me. The one with Us I already can do it in almost the same 2sec that I did my old ones. Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

Anytime
and thanks for telling me about the signatures

 

[Myachii]

If find doing higher order cubes helps a lot. For example, if I do a 7x7 solve then a 5x5 solve, the cube feels smaller and so seems easier to complete. If you solve the highest order cube you have, then go back to 3x3, it makes it seem really easy.
Another tip is, if you haven't already, learn full PLL. Definite help for smashing 20 seconds

 

[Berd]

If find doing higher order cubes helps a lot. For example, if I do a 7x7 solve then a 5x5 solve, the cube feels smaller and so seems easier to complete. If you solve the highest order cube you have, then go back to 3x3, it makes it seem really easy.
Another tip is, if you haven't already, learn full PLL. Definite help for smashing 20 seconds

I totally agree with that. U just look at my 3x3 and I'm like: "this is easy." Also, learning another method helps a lot too

 

[guysensei1]

However, he is a Boss and uses his ring finger for R' and r' in OH all the time.

I do this too

 

[vijfirextreme]

I've been stuck at sub 25 for 3 MONTHS now and due to this I'm finally improving. I get one or two sub 20 solves every twenty solves now and I'm getting much better. Thanks a lot

 

[mafergut]

I've been stuck at sub 25 for 3 MONTHS now and due to this I'm finally improving. I get one or two sub 20 solves every twenty solves now and I'm getting much better. Thanks a lot ��

Welcome to the club! I've been stuck there at sub-25, sub-24 for like 4-5 months already and improving very, very slowly. I also get around 8-10 sub-20 solves every Ao100 and even though I seem to be improving my consistency I don't seem to become faster. My PB singles (lucky and non-lucky) are from more than 1 month ago but my averages are from this past week so I'm happy with that. Only concern is that, at this pace I will die before I become sub-20 (Ao100).

 

[ppugliesi]

So I'm not the only one stuck at sub-25. Glad to know other people have had this problem and were able to overcome it. (Actually, I'm improving now).

 

[MrMan]

So I'm sub 30 now. I just realized that exectuing 2look OLL + PLL takes mes aproximately 10 second, is it way too much ?

 

[mafergut]

So I'm not the only one stuck at sub-25. Glad to know other people have had this problem and were able to overcome it. (Actually, I'm improving now).

Well, I'm glad you find it reassuring. I'm sure if you keep practicing you will get better. I'm still progressing very slowly compared with other cubers, though, but that might just be myself being a bit old or outright bad at this . In the couple of months that have passed since I wrote that I have come down to sub-23 Ao100. I wish I could keep improving by just 1 second every two months and my target of becoming sub-20 this year would become a reality by summer. I think it will not be as simple as that but I'll keep trying.

Good luck with your cubing as well.

 

[mafergut]

So I'm sub 30 now. I just realized that exectuing 2look OLL + PLL takes mes aproximately 10 second, is it way too much ?

I think for sub-30, a 10sec LL with 2look OLL is not that bad but people tends to find easier to turn fast during LL than other things like having good lookahead during F2L so, they might tell you that it is a bit too much. In my case I am terrible at being really fast executing OLL and PLL algs so I think it is more or less okay. If you tell us your splits (cross, f2l, oll, pll) perhaps we can help you more.

 

[MrMan]

If you tell us your splits (cross, f2l, oll, pll) perhaps we can help you more.

I have no idea, I realized by looking at the timer at 14s when inserting my last f2l pair and that was a 24 second solve.
I guess I'll have to do an ao5/12 on camera to determin my splits.

 

[mafergut]

I have no idea, I realized by looking at the timer at 14s when inserting my last f2l pair and that was a 24 second solve.
I guess I'll have to do an ao5/12 on camera to determin my splits.

I was thinking more on the lines of just sub-30 (27-29 seconds). If you are more really like sub-25, then perhaps a 10 second LL starts sounding a bit too much. Maybe starting to learn progressively all the other OLL cases (at least the faster ones) could start to pay off now (even though there are people that have become sub-15 before learning 1look OLL.

Also, apart from making a video you can use the "multi-phase" feature in some timers like csTimer. You will have to hit the space bar between cross, f2l, oll and pll which will increase the times a bit but you can have fairly good splits. Of course if you can also record a video that would be much better.

 

[MrMan]

My sister has a really good camera and a tripod, so I'll do a video as soon as I see her.
And for my times I really sub 30 now and averaging 26/27. But it evolves each weeks at this stage.

 

[mafergut]

My sister has a really good camera and a tripod, so I'll do a video as soon as I see her.
And for my times I really sub 30 now and averaging 26/27. But it evolves each weeks at this stage.

I think I'm gonna time myself some splits and see what happens, I'm now averaging 22/23 so it can be a good reference. But I will just do a cross+F2L / LL split so that it can be compared with what you said (14 + 10).

 

[explodification]

Can F2L be improved simply by practice or is there something that has to be learned first, then practiced?