World Championship 2015 - São Paulo, Brazil - July 17-19, 2015

tseitsei said:
Would you more likely go to a competition located several hundreds of miles from your home or to a competition located several thousands of miles from your home? That's just common sense...
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For a standard, local competition, probably nobody will travel thousands of miles. But for Worlds, topcubers will probably travel wherever necessary.
 
How can people not see that hosting Worlds in South America is a great opportunity? Of course, would I like worlds in France instead? Yes, of course I would. But you have to be a little unselfish sometimes. Hosting worlds in South America I think is a great way to get more cubers into speedcubing and expand our hobby to different parts of the globe.
 
Tim Major said:
I actually wonder how many of the Americans who aren't going actually know where Brazil is? Miami->Sao Paulo is 8.5 hours. Miami->Paris is 8.5 hours. So to all the boycotting Americans, would you have gone to worlds in France? (I chose France because it was rumored originally)
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You've made some awesome points Major, but I think I like this one the best...
btw are you going?


To all you guys who think WC should be easily accessible to the top cubers, I think Feliks is going: https://www.facebook.com/fzemdegs
 
kinch2002 said:
Do you guys who are attacking this decision even know the Brazilian and South American delegates? No I thought not.
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I don't know the Asian delegates either, can I not suggest that Asia needs a Worlds?

kinch2002 said:
As for the distance, from Europe it's very similar to Las Vegas in terms of distance and travel time. Yes it's further for this US-flooded forum. But it's also nearer for the thousands of Brazilian cubers that nobody knows about because they don't come on this forum and whinge on the Worlds 2013 Las Vegas thread. Be a little less selfish.
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Mhm, guy who isn't going to Worlds no matter where you hold it is being selfish. Keep telling yourself that's the only reason I don't like this idea. Brazil may have thousands of cubers but how many GOOD cubers do they have? How many cubers who have a chance of doing well at a world speedcubing championship in the ideal case where everyone can go? You guys say they have tons of 2- and 3-day competitions, so OK, that means they have plenty of chances to compete in everything... so where are all the awesome results? Remember, Worlds isn't just about getting lots of people, you want to have lots of good people compete. And despite everything people have said I'm still seeing almost all of them having to travel thousands of miles.

kinch2002 said:
Who is 'almost everyone'?
By the way, here are the distances from Italy to the last 3 WCs:
Bangkok: 5482 miles
Las Vegas: 6111 miles
Sao Paulo: 5886 miles
Were they all in the wrong place?
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You picked the last 3 because the very next one is from Germany, right? Kinda transparent there.

Tim Major said:
I actually wonder how many of the Americans who aren't going actually know where Brazil is? Miami->Sao Paulo is 8.5 hours. Miami->Paris is 8.5 hours. So to all the boycotting Americans, would you have gone to worlds in France? (I chose France because it was rumored originally)
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Miami? Seriously? Please look at a map of the US sometime. Miami is practically as close as you can get to Sao Paolo without falling into the ocean. And it's not all about people from the US... obviously for cubers from North America the trip is not particularly terrible - it is North *America* after all, which kinda suggests they two continents are close, doesn't it? I'm more thinking about all the top cubers in Europe/Asia who will have to fly crazy distances. Dusseldorf is 13.75 hours away; Beijing is 25 hours away; Melbourne is 20.5 hours away.
 
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qqwref said:
I don't know the Asian delegates either, can I not suggest that Asia needs a Worlds?
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You're switching my point round incorrectly. I'm saying that people shouldn't make claims that they don't think Brazil can hold it when they don't know the delegates, and all evidence they have points towards Brazil being able to hold large competitions.

Mhm, guy who isn't going to Worlds no matter where you hold it is being selfish. Keep telling yourself that's the only reason I don't like this idea.
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I was never telling myself that

Brazil may have thousands of cubers but how many GOOD cubers do they have? How many cubers who have a chance of doing well at a world speedcubing championship in the ideal case where everyone can go? You guys say they have tons of 2- and 3-day competitions, so OK, that means they have plenty of chances to compete in everything... so where are all the awesome results? Remember, Worlds isn't just about getting lots of people, you want to have lots of good people compete. And despite everything people have said I'm still seeing almost all of them having to travel thousands of miles.
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It's about development as well as current status. We all know that they community is not well integrated with the US/European community, and I truly believe that's why they haven't got as many cubers at the top. They are progressing fast actually, and got their first WR this year. Compare this to this and you'll see that in a year and a half, many of their records have gone from very ordinary to world class.

I don't entirely agree with the idea of making sure we get the most fast cubers anyway. Putting it in the US just makes sure we get all the fast US cubers. Great...still not really representing the World's fastest cubers there.

qqwref said:
You picked the last 3 because the very next one is from Germany, right? Kinda transparent there.
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No. I picked the last 3 because that's when he's been competitively active (since 2011). I could add the Germany one if you really want, and ask the same question... I don't really see how it looks like I left out Germany on purpose.
 
https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/statistics.php#most_persons

Why Brazil and not China or India? Is it about Visa, is it about a sponsor, or is it about "it hasn't been on that continent lately?

I don't entirely agree with the idea of making sure we get the most fast cubers anyway.
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You don't think that at the tournament where we decide who is the best of the world we should have as many candidates as possible? A world championship is not meant to develop the level of that sport. It is meant to decide who is the best in the world and for that you need the best in the world to be there. Having only 1/100 just doesn't cut it.

Also, I am slow, living far away, but I would go anyway. I have also been to other major tournaments and been the host/mc there.
I think Brazil could organize it, but I don't understand why they were chosen. If they are the only/best that said "we will do it" that would be a great reason
 
Dene said:
Awww come on WCA, you're a year late!



But in more srsness, woooo! I can't wait! See you all there!! (except all the poopy-whinge-heads on here that think South America is located somewhere in the fathoms of Hades).


But srsly, how can anyone in North America complain about it being too far away??? It's about as close as almost anywhere else WCs would likely be, if not a hell of a lot closer than places like Asia. I mean, I'm going to have to fly via LA to get there probably.

Also all these damn yanks complaining that no one will go except South Americans, well did you even notice that WC2013 was largely dominated by USA representation? And I assume the same can be said for all before that. Of course the majority of people will be local. That only makes sense. Why are so many people on here so stupid?




You are a total moron. I sincerely hope you see my comment before it gets deleted.
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Way to go being an example for the community here Dene. You are a delegate! I reported your post.

On topic: it's nice that South America has the chance to organize a WC. A new continent! :)
Looking forward to seeing Brazil.

To those who are complaining about distance: if anything you should be complaining about either travel time or travel costs. FYI: Flying to a different continent always costs time and money. From Europe I found tickets for about 800 euro's, same-ish as it would be for the US or something like Australia.
 
AvGalen said:
I think Brazil could organize it, but I don't understand why they were chosen. If they are the only/best that said "we will do it" that would be a great reason
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That's a very good point !

I'd like to see a post from the Board stating who were the candidates, and explaining why they chose Brazil :)



(And to everyone complaining about the location, qqwref for example, please suggest a better one. Outside of North America..)
 
BillyRain said:
For everyones info, there is already 217 people confirmed as attending on the facebook event.
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I have > 1000 friends and they often like me....If you think any of that relates to real life I have news for you

Which facebook event is that btw? I only found this group https://www.facebook.com/RubiksWC2015 that has 166 likes
 
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AvGalen said:
https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/statistics.php#most_persons

Why Brazil and not China or India? Is it about Visa, is it about a sponsor, or is it about "it hasn't been on that continent lately?
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I guess the Board know the answer to that. But your later point about how many candidates put themselves forward might answer it :)

You don't think that at the tournament where we decide who is the best of the world we should have as many candidates as possible? A world championship is not meant to develop the level of that sport. It is meant to decide who is the best in the world and for that you need the best in the world to be there. Having only 1/100 just doesn't cut it.
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You're not going to get all the best in the World in any continent, you'll just get the best in the continent and then anyone else who can travel. For North America and Europe, I don't see how Brazil is any harder to get to than the other continents, so for me it's a location well within reason.
 
kinch2002 said:
Yes it's further for this US-flooded forum.
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Yes, thank you! I want to say, all of the complaining Americans don't realize they got the luxury of the last Worlds... Living in North America (Canada) myself I don't see the problem with a location being "farther".

Also, although many of the "fast solver" live a good distance from South America, all cubers would like the chance to attend Worlds at some point. This gives opportunity to 2300+ South American cubers.

I may or may not attend, and I see both sides of this "debate". But, I think this location is acceptable and doesn't need such a hard negative bash.
 
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kinch2002 said:
You're not going to get all the best in the World in any continent, you'll just get the best in the continent and then anyone else who can travel. For North America and Europe, I don't see how Brazil is any harder to get to than the other continents, so for me it's a location well within reason.
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This is exactly the point!

"The best in the continent" in South America means 1 world class cuber.
"The best in the continent" in NA or Europe or Asia means ~30 world class cubers

And 30 is much more than 1
 
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