World Championship 2015 - São Paulo, Brazil - July 17-19, 2015

[slinky773]

I think the only way to address this is to ask, "What is the purpose of hosting a WC? What is the goal?"

Wait, what is the purpose of hosting a WC, from a WCA board member (or similar) perspective, anyway? I suppose that in my mind (and most other cuber's), it's mostly just a big 3 day competition where cubers all over the world come to have fun and compete, but I suppose that definition doesn't have much to it, in comparison to what Tyson or Ilkyoo will probably say.

 

[uberCuber]

I think the only way to address this is to ask, "What is the purpose of hosting a WC? What is the goal?"
If your answer is "get the maximum number of competitors" then sure, I don't recommend Brazil, and if that is what you think the purpose/goal of hosting a WC is, then you will not be swayed into thinking it should be hosted outside NA/Europe and the argument is done.

The first thing I would think of when hearing the term "World Championship" would be closer to "max number of top competitors" than just "max number of competitors"

But then I'm not a board member/delegate/organizer or anything

 

[Username]

definitely not going

 

[Iggy]

Not so sure about this, might not be able to go

 

[TimMc]

It's great that Rafael is taking the initiative to make this happen in Brazil and that the WCA Board are supportive.

Delegates were given the opportunity to submit proposals for hosting the next World Championship back in April.

The goal of the World Cube Association is to have more competitions in more countries with more people and more fun, under fair and equal conditions.

It's great to see the cubing community really grow in South America and China.

Tim.

 

[hcfong]

I think it's great for the speedcubing community in South America to have the opportunity to host the next World Championships. Yes, it might not be the most obvious choice for many, but I think that's due to the fact that many people on here don't know that there is actually a substantial speedcubing community there. If you look on the WCA website and look up the South American competitions, you'll see there is a thriving speedcubing community there. Especially in Brazil competitions are very well attended. The problem that the South American speedcubing community is facing is that it is very isolated. Very few people from outside South America have attended competitions there. I haven't gone through all the competitions, but so far, I have found 2. Another problem is that whenever we hear something about the South American speedcubing community, it's usually for the wrong reasons (for example, Telesforo and Pino Castillo). I think the opportunity to organise the World Championships in Brazil will give a great boost to the South American speedcubing community.

 

[TMOY]

Another problem is that whenever we hear something about the South American speedcubing community, it's usually for the wrong reasons (for example, Telesforo and Pino Castillo)..

Last time I checked Telesforo was not South American.

Anyway, I will probably be there.

 

[kinch2002]

I don't think Brazil would organise a better WC than China, India or Australia. NA and Europe would probably organise World's the best, considering they have had the most 3 days competitions and most, if not all of the staff would've organised or attended competitions with similar competitor numbers before.

Thanks for all your good points in this thread, I agree with them completely, apart from this one, where you actually worked against yourself without needing to

North America has hosted 7 3-day comps if I counted correctly, and over 90% of their competitions are 1 day.
Europe has indeed hosted the most 3-day comps, majority 2-day, and quite a lot of 1-day as well.
Brazil alone has had 10 3-day comps, and they average more than 2 days per comp! I'm not going to check, but I think this is probably the most 3-day comps and the highest average days per comp of any country.

Anyone who claims that Brazil surely can't organize Worlds should ask themselves whether they actually have ANY evidence towards that, or whether they are simply thinking that because: 'Brazil is not a fully developed country doesn't have hundreds of super-fast cubers and I know nothing else about them so I will make the silly assumption that they can't deal with Worlds.' Do you guys who are attacking this decision even know the Brazilian and South American delegates? No I thought not.

As for the distance, from Europe it's very similar to Las Vegas in terms of distance and travel time. Yes it's further for this US-flooded forum. But it's also nearer for the thousands of Brazilian cubers that nobody knows about because they don't come on this forum and whinge on the Worlds 2013 Las Vegas thread. Be a little less selfish.

 

[KirkChen]

It is a little selfish to complain about it i think.Hope you guys all enjoy the competition next year.
I may try to go if have chance.
And i think it's time for China to have a WC in 2017 or 2019, isn't it?

 

[anders]

I think it's great for the speedcubing community in South America to have the opportunity to host the next World Championships.

I fully agree with this!

Very few people from outside South America have attended competitions there. I haven't gone through all the competitions, but so far, I have found 2.

Who is the other one?

 

[Laura O]

This thread is a very good example why it often annoys me to read here. People just argument from their selfish point of view with a very limited perspective.
It's just stupid to draw conclusion like "there will be very few people showing up" after 10 (mainly US) people commented that they won't be there. Furthermore these comments about underdevelopment, favelas and this stuff... This is just prejudice without knowing anything (despite the location) about the competition and even the country.
The cubing world exists outside of NA and Europe and a lot of you should realize that this forum is not representing the whole cubing community. Not only when discussing Worlds locations, but also in many other topics here.

I'm really looking forward to go to Brazil, meeting people who are not well known because they don't write posts here and also going to a country (and actually a continent) I've never been to before.

 

[tseitsei]

world championship

I bolded the relevant parts of the name.

1. WORLD means whole world. Easily accessible to as many people around the world as possible.

For this criteria Brazil is fine. They have a lot of speedcubers and can no doubt organize a big comp. (For this criteria also Europe and NA would both be good.)
As said already any place we choose will always be far away from some other place....

2. WORLD CHAMPION

I think this is the title that should be given only to the best of the best. Therefore it is VERY important to get as many really fast world-class people to compete in worlds as possible. This is very important. And here I think Brazil is not a good candidate to hold the worlds. Since South America only has 1 really world-class cuber while Europe, NA and Asia have ~30. That means many top cubers will be more likely to skip the world cup, which leads to world championship title losing respect. And I think that is not good.

EDIT: I'm not coming to worlds anyway so no personal bias here. I just want to get the fastest people in the WORLD CHAMPIONships, because that's how it should be...

 

[kinch2002]

It's too far for almost everyone.

Who is 'almost everyone'?
By the way, here are the distances from Italy to the last 3 WCs:
Bangkok: 5482 miles
Las Vegas: 6111 miles
Sao Paulo: 5886 miles
Were they all in the wrong place?

 

[hcfong]

Last time I checked Telesforo was not South American.

Anyway, I will probably be there.

You're right. I always assumed Mexico was part of South America on the WCA website, but it is actually North America.

Who is the other one?

Oops, I missed you out. Well, there are 4 now. The other three are https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2007HOLD02 and https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2012CARL02 and https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2012CARL01. But looking at their profiles, there is a good chance they actually live in South America.

 

[Goosly]

And here I think Brazil is not a good candidate to hold the worlds. Since South America only has 1 really world-class cuber while Europe, NA and Asia have ~30. That means many top cubers will be more likely to skip the world cup

How do you know that?

 

[porkynator]

So was Bangkok, wasn't it?

No, it was relatively close for many asian cubers.

Who is 'almost everyone'?

In cubing, North America + Europe + Asia (in no particular order imo)

By the way, here are the distances from Italy to the last 3 WCs:
Bangkok: 5482 miles
Las Vegas: 6111 miles
Sao Paulo: 5886 miles
Were they all in the wrong place?

Yes I am biased because it's too far for me, but I wasn't speaking only for myself.

 

[Tim Major]

I actually wonder how many of the Americans who aren't going actually know where Brazil is? Miami->Sao Paulo is 8.5 hours. Miami->Paris is 8.5 hours. So to all the boycotting Americans, would you have gone to worlds in France? (I chose France because it was rumored originally)

 

[kinch2002]

Yep: Las Vegas, SP and Europe pretty much form a triangle, so whichever one it's in, 2 of these 3 groups of people should be approximately equally (un)happy.
Slightly further for Asians sure, but they 'made' the rest of the world travel far in 2011 and we can't have it wherever the optimal place to minimise total travel across all cubers is every time can we?!

 

[Dene]

Awww come on WCA, you're a year late!



But in more srsness, woooo! I can't wait! See you all there!! (except all the poopy-whinge-heads on here that think South America is located somewhere in the fathoms of Hades).


But srsly, how can anyone in North America complain about it being too far away??? It's about as close as almost anywhere else WCs would likely be, if not a hell of a lot closer than places like Asia. I mean, I'm going to have to fly via LA to get there probably.

Also all these damn yanks complaining that no one will go except South Americans, well did you even notice that WC2013 was largely dominated by USA representation? And I assume the same can be said for all before that. Of course the majority of people will be local. That only makes sense.

 

[tseitsei]

How do you know that?

Would you more likely go to a competition located several hundreds of miles from your home or to a competition located several thousands of miles from your home? That's just common sense...