why is cfop "the best method"
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I switched to Roux when I was bored with CFOP and wasn't progressing without learning algs and felt restricted with f2l. Roux also looked really cool with the m slices. So I feel that CFOP is "the best method" to people since it is very structured and you, in my opinion, do not get a decent understanding of the puzzle until you get around sub 20 but with ZZ and Roux (also other) you get a better understanding of the puzzle and even if you can not solve big cubes as adaptable as CFOP but I feel like you can explore more with other methods.
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CFOP is to restricting and forces you to learn only algs you have no free choice we need a Rouxvolution and to *insert pun that combines civil war and zz or something* also Hexagonal Ct ftw
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CFOP is to restricting and forces you to learn only algs you have no free choice we need a Rouxvolution and to *insert pun that combines civil war and zz or something* also Hexagonal Ct ftw
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I think 8355 is a great beginner's method that is very easy to learn, can be quite fast, and introduces you to a non-CFOP (and quite advanced) method, Heise.
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Let's just all say that CFOP is the best so when some non-CFOPPER becomes a cubing god, they can say that they are truly the best and unrivalled due to the fact that they are hampered by their method.
shadowslice e
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So you're discounting Alex Lau and Phil Yu in this then?
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Here is my thought on it.
Every person has a method that works best for them.
If a nub were to look up "Solve the Rubik's cube faster" C-FOP will show up.
I think it is popular because of the cross and the world is lazy to learn how to do a good EO-Line or Roux block.
Faz is fast because CFOP works well for him.
I am sure their is some sub 30 cfop solver that if he/she learend a nother method, they would be sub 15 in a few days.
When I learned CFOP I felt like it was cool, but didn't fit me and thats why I use ZZ.
Every person has a method that works best for them.
If a nub were to look up "Solve the Rubik's cube faster" C-FOP will show up.
I think it is popular because of the cross and the world is lazy to learn how to do a good EO-Line or Roux block.
Faz is fast because CFOP works well for him.
I am sure their is some sub 30 cfop solver that if he/she learend a nother method, they would be sub 15 in a few days.
When I learned CFOP I felt like it was cool, but didn't fit me and thats why I use ZZ.
Hm, i wouldn't go that far. It's a huge leap to go from keyhole to very advanced blockbuilding (pseudoblocks + influencing EO, making 2 pairs + solving edges with little space to move about)
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However, I could never get used lbl, and so used petrus as beginner method, and found that much easier because of having fewer OLL algs. That's why I started with petrus and so continue with it, even though I don't know any other petrus users.
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This kind of thing happened to me with roux. I was at a wall at 40 seconds when I switched.. within two days I had first, broken my CFOP Pb with roux, and second, I was averaging ~37 secs, 3 seconds better than I was with CFOP at the same time. Now, about 8 or so months later, my ao100 is sub-17 and I am pushing sub-15. Never again CFOP. Never again. (when I try, it ends up something like VHLS ->COLL->EPLL)
Best part? at comps people rage when I race them because I am a slower turner than them but I beat them by quite a bit.
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If we were to say that CFOP undoubtedly improves times then they could say that they are even better than their times may suggest.
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I am sub 15 with all cfop, roux and zz method. But in my opinion the best methods is not by its lags. It's which one you feel most comfortable with. So my suggestion is that there is no best method but only the one which you feel best. So there is no need of discussing about it. But the CFOP is the most easiest and effecient and best fingertricks with it.Roux is real fast and hard and hard fingertricks. Where as ZZ is really good, efficient and mordern. So try all and find out your best method.
Good luck,
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I think people use CFOP because its the easiest to understand after learning lbl so naturally, they would switch to CFOP in which is basically the same thing but a little more advanced and more algorithms to learn. It's also the method which people like Lucas Etter and Feliks Zemdegs use so people will think that using CFOP and practicing will make them fast. But most people don't think about learning other methods simply because they are too lazy or don't understand it or they have the mindset of "There is no method better than CFOP.".
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sooo, zz is great and all but RUL is kind of restrictive. I lke CFOP because you are 'free' to solve however the eck you want. as long as you get to F2L-1 or just regular LL it's still Cfop. Sometimes I just solve block type stuff because it's better. See cfop isn't the best because of the method itself its the best because of the freedom and potential through algs
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But ZZ still tends to be more efficient anyway depending on which LL you use and Roux even more so
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*I usually don't have autocorrect, but today it ran through this entire post, so sorry for any mis-quotes*
Also, that's called "free"FOP, not "C"FOP.
I can think of several methods that get to F2L-1 that aren't CFOP.
"freedom and potential through algs" doesn't make ANY sense. If I want to learn 1LLL [I use ZZ], I only need to learn <500 cases iirc.
If a cfoper wants to learn 1LLL they have to learn 3000+ algs iirc. How is that potential and freedom?
In almost every case, any alg set to influence/solve the last layer will be smaller with ZZ than with CFOP, which allows a ZZ user to spend less time learning algs, and practicing F2L, or more time learning algs that effect something else. I don't see how CFOP is better in this case.
Yes, CFOP has the move set <U, L, F, R, [B]*, y>, which is larger than most of ZZ <U, L, R, [D]>, and Roux <U, M, Rw, R>, but more isn't necessarily a better thing. ZZ and Roux don't have rotations, which is a plus no matter what.
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RUL may be restrictive, but I think it is still better than y rotations + F/B moves. Also, look ahead is better because edge orientation doesn't have to be figured out, and everything is just there, in nice blocks. DR/DL aren't hard to see either, it's just an open layer. They don't inhibit lookahead.
Also, that's called "free"FOP, not "C"FOP.
LOL no
I can think of several methods that get to F2L-1 that aren't CFOP.
That's sounds like Petrus/FreeFOP, not CFOP. Slight method neutrality, as mentioned above, can be useful.
Again, the discussion was about CFOP, not FreeFOP.
"freedom and potential through algs" doesn't make ANY sense. If I want to learn 1LLL [I use ZZ], I only need to learn <500 cases iirc.
If a cfoper wants to learn 1LLL they have to learn 3000+ algs iirc. How is that potential and freedom?
In almost every case, any alg set to influence/solve the last layer will be smaller with ZZ than with CFOP, which allows a ZZ user to spend less time learning algs, and practicing F2L, or more time learning algs that effect something else. I don't see how CFOP is better in this case.
Yes, CFOP has the move set <U, L, F, R, [B]*, y>, which is larger than most of ZZ <U, L, R, [D]>, and Roux <U, M, Rw, R>, but more isn't necessarily a better thing. ZZ and Roux don't have rotations, which is a plus no matter what.
*[Optional, but not often used]
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ha. ha. ha. *cough cough like in roux Ahem*
Roux is even freer than in CFOP. Just look at some roux example solves.
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no claims to cfop being the best or anything, but I like cfop because you never really have to think, u just have to look and react and memorize and repeat. it's easier to get fast at those than it is to get fast at thinking.
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okay.
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So what if you feel most comfortable with old pochmann? Comfort is only for casual cubers. Competitive speedcubers would obviously choose the fastest method e.g. CFOP
shadowslice e
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Well, if you don't enjoy doing something then don't do it (at least when it comes to cubing).
I mean I don't think there are many if any "competitive" speedcubers who don't do it for fun. Most would fall under the category of "casual" cubers who just so happen to be fast/good at it.
Also, I'm pretty sure he meant with a method which could be used to get fast if you wanted to and there are obvious restrictions to what methods that includes but overall you can pick the one from a handful of methods that you feel most comfortable with because you will likely want to practise more or improve fastest using it.
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