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What approach is best for CFOP - High TPS or Efficiency

Efficiency Or Lookahed and TPS


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gsingh

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Max Park (Standard CFOP With Great Lookahed and very High TPS) or Tymon Kolasinski (Cool Tricks, ZBLL, X Crosses, P Slotting)
Interested to know what could be better, The way Tymon solves or the way Max solves.
I say Tymon's approach is better.
 

IsThatA4x4

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Efficiency.
Firstly, it's so cool! Every time we look at Tymon's example solves we are always blown away by his ability to find shorter and more complex solutions.
Secondly, TPS can be practiced easily to be quite high.
I think Max averages ~13 TPS, idk what Tymon averages.
With your average 55 move CFOP solution, Max will get times of low-mid 4s.
Let's say that Tymon can save 8-10 moves on average. To average 4.5, he needs between high 9/low 10 and high 10/low 11 TPS, quite a difference!
And if he could turn at 13 TPS, that's a mid-high 3 average
 

OreKehStrah

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Tymon style is clearly better. Hardware has definitely reached a major slowdown in gains so tps isn’t going ti get much higher. We’ve hit the point in cubing that you can’t just turn fast. If you want to be at the top and continue pushing the limit you’re gonna have to turn fast and be efficient!
 

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Efficiency.
Firstly, it's so cool! Every time we look at Tymon's example solves we are always blown away by his ability to find shorter and more complex solutions.
Secondly, TPS can be practiced easily to be quite high.
I think Max averages ~13 TPS, idk what Tymon averages.
With your average 55 move CFOP solution, Max will get times of low-mid 4s.
Let's say that Tymon can save 8-10 moves on average. To average 4.5, he needs between high 9/low 10 and high 10/low 11 TPS, quite a difference!
And if he could turn at 13 TPS, that's a mid-high 3 average
Out of all their reconstructed 3x3 solves, speedcubedb says Max averages around 10.8 tps but his movecount is 58.7 turns. Tymon's average tps is 9.5, but his movecount is 53.5 turns.
 

SuperDuperSir

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Tymon style is clearly better. Hardware has definitely reached a major slowdown in gains so tps isn’t going ti get much higher. We’ve hit the point in cubing that you can’t just turn fast. If you want to be at the top and continue pushing the limit you’re gonna have to turn fast and be efficient!
So. If efficiency is key to speed in the future…





Then you should just use petrus
 

gsingh

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Yeah well, on speedcubedb, people only reconstructed his good solves, and he doesn't have as many solves as Tymon or Max. (Tymon has 300-400, and Max has 800)
not really
matty also has really bad times reconstructed
a lot of 8's
its random solves not just the good ones
 

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yes but they arent his good solves, just random ones
They're certainly not random, since they can only reconstruct solves which he posts on YouTube. This does lead to a greater amount a good solves for just about every cuber, since top cubers usually don't post average/bad times.
 

gsingh

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They're certainly not random, since they can only reconstruct solves which he posts on YouTube. This does lead to a greater amount a good solves for just about every cuber, since top cubers usually don't post average/bad times.
yea, i guess
but then what about these
there a lot more of these there
the bad solves are from monkey league, and there are a lot of those
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PiKeeper

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yea, i guess
but then what about these
there a lot more of these there
the bad solves are from monkey league, and there are a lot of those
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Did you seriously just sort by slowest time, post me a picture, and use that to claim that the reconstructed solves truly reflect this average?
Edit: Also, what bad solves are from monkey league? Nothing you cited is from monkey league and the vast majority of his reconstructed times are sub-6.
 

gsingh

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Did you seriously just sort by slowest time, post me a picture, and use that to claim that the reconstructed solves truly reflect this average?
Edit: Also, what bad solves are from monkey league? Nothing you cited is from monkey league and the vast majority of his reconstructed times are sub-6.
i did sort by slowest time, to show you guys that there are a lot of bad solves in there
nothing in that list is monkey league, but a lot of 7's and high 6's are
 
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