Why are speedcubers on SpeedSolving.com so mean?

[Noahaha]

I don't see any profit in that. Rather than wasting that time arguing, just help them out nicely. It would make everything so much simpler, and the forum a better place, so why do you refuse? You also are saying that the argument is started by the contradicted person keeps on thinking what they do. It is not thinking, but posting. Also, you have to at least realize that the way you make the message sound does impact and can help avoid or cause them to react badly or well. To say it doesn't would just be a flat out lie.

I also wouldn't say it was my "false" statement that started this "argument". If you really think that this is an argument, and that you debating better than I will change my thoughts, have fun .

I think we're talking about two different situations here.

You seem to be talking about when someone doesn't know something, and someone is mean about it to them. This is bad, but not really an argument. I thought you meant when someone who doesn't know what they're talking about continuously argues something that is not true or generally accepted as false. An argument can never end in "helping them out nicely" because the two people don't agree on something.

Just to be clear, when I originally said argument, I was talking about discussions like this, not just any interaction where someone contradicts someone else. This is an example of a constructive argument.


Also, I completely stand by my step by step model for arguments. The reason why everyone wins is because everyone gets to fully understand the other person's point of view, and can see the issue more clearly. I think the kinds of "arguments" you're thinking of are really just when someone is not so nice to someone who is new.

 

[elrog]

Also, I completely stand by my step by step model for arguments. The reason why everyone wins is because everyone gets to fully understand the other person's point of view, and can see the issue more clearly. I think the kinds of "arguments" you're thinking of are really just when someone is not so nice to someone who is new.

I approve of this.

Ok.. If you want to consider this discussion as an argument, by all means, go ahead. I still don't consider discussion arguing though. If we both understood the others use of words better, then we probably wouldn't have kept on posting needlessly, but that's life. Have a fun time cubing .

 

[Noahaha]

I approve of this.

Ok.. If you want to consider this discussion as an argument, by all means, go ahead. I still don't consider discussion arguing though. If we both understood the others use of words better, then we probably wouldn't have kept on posting needlessly, but that's life. Have a fun time cubing .

Ended up coming down to semantics... just like everything

 

[Robert-Y]

When any method first starts out, theres not going to be people getting that fast with it, and nobody will care about it until the creator themselves can prove it can be good.

I can think of a very good counter example for 4x4x4

 

[aceofspades98]

I can think of a very good counter example for 4x4x4

very very true Mr.Yau.

 

[ZamHalen]

Cubers on here aren't actually mean. I can actually guarantee that almost everyone on here would really enjoy watching you and others succeed (the forum members surprisingly like seeing the annoying newbie make something of themselves). They do however, want you to use the knowledge already available in order to do this, as many members (especially long time members) have seen these questions, and sometimes even methods, in the past multiple times. Belt method anyone?

 

[TMOY]

I can think of a very good counter example for 4x4x4

Which one ? I don' think the Yau method qualifies as a very good counterexample because it is not really a new method, only a variant of reduction.

 

[aceofspades98]

Which one ? I don' think the Yau method qualifies as a very good counterexample because it is not really a new method, only a variant of reduction.

There is also K4 if you insist. Not nearly as popular.

 

[Stefan]

Which one ? I don' think the Yau method qualifies as a very good counterexample because it is not really a new method, only a variant of reduction.

Also, didn't Rob himself prove it to be fast (on Ryan's simulator)?

 

[Robert-Y]

Nope, it's kinda difficult to do it on Ryan's simulator.

TMOY: Yeah but anyway... it's arguably a "new" concept which I didn't prove to be fast with. If you wanted to, you could expand elrog's argument to sub steps like RLS. I think RLS has been shown to be useful towards lowering your times further (at least in Mats' case ), but again, the proposer (Lucas Winter) didn't show that it could be fast afaik.

 

[elrog]

There may be a few exceptions, but there's exceptions to nearly everything.