What took you longer to learn? OLL or PLL?

[freshcuber]

The small L's can take three faces. if you have the ones with a bar one the side you won't know if it's the mirror or not. Once you're well acquainted with all the cases I'm sure you do only need two to know which it is but starting out it's more likely than not a beginner will use three.

If OLL takes 2-3 months then you're just not putting effort into learning it. A month is very easily possible with two algs a day and many algs are extremely easy to learn like all the R U R' U' variants.

That depends on how many cases you learn. If you just learn a hodge podge of who ever ones you feel like then yeah you'll get used to it faster by if you start with dot cases like most do you'll see it as dot or no dot and if it's no dot you'll see L case or Line. You don't see which actual case it is for a while.

OLL shouldn't take a countless amount of time to complete. You can finish it in nearly the same time as PLL if you do one a day with PLL and two a day with OLL. And in the long run of your cubing career those few weeks will be pretty much meaningless.

Not necessarily. Sure learning the algs isn't bad but getting fast at them can take time. A decent average for PLL execution would be considered something like 1.2 seconds per alg. Getting a T-Perm that fast doesn't take much because all you have to do is spam TPS. Something like the V F and G perms can take a longer time to get good at.

 

[crashdummy001]

PLL took me 4 months. OLL took me 2 days.

April fools, i'm not done with OLL

 

[freshcuber]

PLL took me 4 months. OLL took me 2 days.

I see what you did there

 

[amostay2004]

@freshcuber: The main point is, learning PLLs first is way more beneficial to solves than 1 look OLL. You see a lot of fast cubers that still does 2 look OLL but you don't see any of them with 1 look OLL and 2 look PLL do you? Sure for a person who is very certain of dedicating him/herself to learning full CFOP, it doesn't really matter which you learn first because in the end it's all the same. But for someone who just wants to solve faster first without being daunted by a lot of algs which take so long to learn to recognise and execute, or someone who may feel like switching methods in the future, it's always nice to get a 'feel' of CFOP by doing 2 look PLL first.

It doesn't mean because OLL recognition is harder (I don't agree with you on this point btw) that you should learn OLL first, because it's the same thing in the end.

That being said, does anyone here actually learned full OLL first before learning full PLL?

 

[freshcuber]

:fp

WHEN FIRST LEARNED OLL recognition is harder than PLL recognition due to the sheer number of cases is what I'm saying. In the end I'm sure OLL recognition is easier since you're looking at eight stickers instead of eight cubies.

 

[EricReese]

I think every OLL case but the "awkward" ones are so easy to recognize. They are all so different that its really hard to mess up recognition. With PLL its more common for me to mess up recognizing what it is (though of course it happens almost never"

 

[RyanReese09]

That being said, does anyone here actually learned full OLL first before learning full PLL?

I technically learned OLL first and hten PLL, although I didn't start even doing CFOP solves until I had learned full OLL/PLL. So classify that how you wish.

 

[JustinJ]

I don't know if freshcuber is serious or not, but learning OLL first is just silly. PLL gives you roughly the same benefit for a third of the work.

 

[guinepigs rock]

Im not really learning oll I know a few of the cases after I get the cross. Pll takes longer for me.

 

[ooveehoo]

PLL took about a month.
OLL 3 years and counting

 

[Selkie]

I learned 2 look OLL and 2 look PLL in about 5 days.

Then 10 more days for full PLL and about 5 weeks for full OLL.

 

[~Adam~]

I learnt PLL in about a week and OLL over a 2 month period.

 

[IamWEB]

OLL took longer to learn, because I have a brain efficiency mutation that makes me desire to learn larger sets of algorithmic cases rather than a smaller amount. PLL took almost 3 times as long to learn because I was frustrated with knowing there were only 21 to learn. The algs just weren't saying with me !

 

[LouisCormier]

OLL took me longer but I was racing with my friend for full PLL ...

 

[Zane_C]

Due to their length, PLL algs are often more difficult to learn than OLL algs. But because their are 57 OLL and 21 PLL cases, full OLL took me longer to learn.

 

[StachuK1992]

freshcuber(and others)
Any LL case can be recognized with only 3 faces (U,F,R).
For that matter, any LS+LL case can be recognized with those same 3 faces.

Any PLL case can be recognize with only 2 faces (F,R).

 

[Vinny]

I still have 1 more PLL to learn. I keep putting it off because I'm so lazy. Then again, I haven't started for full OLL yet. I think once I learn the last PLL, I'm going to learn the dot cases for OLL first.

 

[StachuK1992]

Whew. After 10-15mins of debate:
OLL can be determined with just U and F this often:
17/27+((6+4)/27)/2
so 22/27 of the time. Or 81.5% of the time, you can do so.

Fun times had by: me, ryau, timmajor, and aronpm

 

[Carson]

Started cubing in 2005... finished PLL in roughly 2009... still only know ~1/3 of OLL.

 

[danthecuber]

Fun times had by: me, ryau, timmajor, and aronpm

It didn't seem all that fun

ot: i learned full pll in about a month, just started full oll, and have learned two cases.