What times to reach now before moving on to PLL?

[Eleredo]

I use Petrus (which is still slow for me now but that'll get better by practicing). I decided to trash the Petrus LL system and I learned the 7 2LOLL algorithms, and the H perm and the Z perm on top of U and A which I already knew.

I do all Petrus steps, then 2LOLL (best LL system for Petrus in my opinion since all edges are always correctly oriented due to the 'fix bad edges' step in Petrus). Then I do A-perm once or twice for the corners, and then Z-, H- or U-perm for the remaining edges.

I will learn all PLL algorithms later on, but I need to practice the ones I learnt for now, otherwise it'll be a bit overwhelming.

What times should I approximately reach with these algorithms and the method I use now, before moving on to full PLL?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Carrot]

sub 9 avg100

 

[rubiknewbie]

1:30 min

 

[Matt S]

Learn them now (it's easy), but make sure you're using the proper finger tricks. Learn one family a day (all the Gs, or both Js, etc) focusing on form and how to recognize it. Don't worry if you don't 100% commit the alg to memory each day, you'll have plenty of practice with them as you do practice solves, since all of them except H occur fairly common (N and Z, a bit less). If you get a PLL that you've learned but forgotten, just look it up and then finish the solve. You shouldn't be timing yourself at this point anyway.

 

[denhil3]

it's up to u. I am using CFOP, when i reached avg about 30, i learnt full pll

 

[abctoshiro]

if you moved on from petrus's LL system, then you wouldn't need to memorize the algs for fixing edges. memorize PLL's when you feel you're ready. i didn't memorize all PLL's, actually, but i still average 32-35 with 4-look LL.

or better yet, because you said petrus...move on to zz. you'll have easier transition from petrus to zz, and you only need to learn 40(?) extra fingertricky algs, and f2l blockbuilding would be really easier for you.

 

[jiggy]

Learn them as soon as you feel you are able. However, I always say, learn your algs as soon as possible! Right now, you're still in learning mode, the longer you wait the more comfortable you will become with your solving style and it's likely that you'll be less motivated to learn new algs. Additionally, the earlier you learn them, the more time you will have to become familiar with executing them during solves.

Just go for it and you'll be done before you know it! =D

 

[Akuma]

I averaged around 36-40 seconds when using the 2-look OLL to the max.
I learned full PLL (21 cases) and now I am around 27 seconds and dropping

I would say that it is time to move on to full PLL once you average around +30 seconds.

 

[Samania]

Learn it whenever your mom tells you to.

That's how I did it.

 

[dabmasta]

I learned full PLL when I was bored with DB's method. I didn't feel it was nesecerary to learn 2 look.

 

[ben1996123]

whenever.

i learnt full pll when i averaged 50 seconds.

 

[Kirjava]

I learned full PLL when I was averaging 12 seconds.

 

[waffle=ijm]

I learned full PLL when I was averaging 12 seconds.

omg same here

 

[Rpotts]

learn them in somewhere near this order.

The other A
The other U if you don't know it
T and Y
J
G
then whatever you want

 

[JeffDelucia]

Learn full pl when you become comforrtable with 2 look

 

[rubiknewbie]

For me the time is not important, the bottleneck is finger-tricks. I say 1:30min because I guess by then you start to know some finger-tricks but that's not necessarily true.

You want to learn long algorithms with finger-tricks if not you could be practising the wrong things for a long time. With different finger-tricks, the same algorithm feels different, so you may end up unlearning and relearning the same algorithm.

Otherwise, start as early as possible cos after that you still have VHF2L, COLL, WV, ZBF2L, ZBLL, ZZ, MGLS, CLL, ELL, Petrus, Roux ... Just kidding.

 

[Feryll]

I learned full PLL when I was bored with DB's method. I didn't feel it was nesecerary to learn 2 look.

Somebody who understands! I learned one look first, too. People are so lazy now a days, learning only one alg a day and such. Ten a day should be the absolute minimum, maybe five for the kiddies. And I don't want to hear your excuses of having a day job, deadly disease, or imprisonment


Actually, this is why I didn't even know how to properly do 2-look or teach it to my friend. We learned at the same time I thought you just solved the edges first, so I had no idea how to handle, say a T-perm with 2-look algs. And then I thought you solved the corners. I was like, why do these 2-look PLL algorithm lists only list one A-perm cycle?!

 

[rubiknewbie]

It's no good to do beginner's method for too long, you may end up practising the wrong things for a long time.

I learned from the official Rubik's solution which does orientate edge, orientate corner, permutate corner, permutate edge. It taught me to do a U perm that turns the F face and I was using it for a long time until I finally switched to a 2-gen which I eventually use for OH. You want to start with good algorithms from the beginning or else it takes longer to unlearn.

 

[dabmasta]

I learned full PLL when I was bored with DB's method. I didn't feel it was nesecerary to learn 2 look.

Somebody who understands! I learned one look first, too. People are so lazy now a days, learning only one alg a day and such. Ten a day should be the absolute minimum, maybe five for the kiddies. And I don't want to hear your excuses of having a day job, deadly disease, or imprisonment


Actually, this is why I didn't even know how to properly do 2-look or teach it to my friend. We learned at the same time I thought you just solved the edges first, so I had no idea how to handle, say a T-perm with 2-look algs. And then I thought you solved the corners. I was like, why do these 2-look PLL algorithm lists only list one A-perm cycle?!

Well I wouldn't go that far. 10 algs a day? Thats got to affect your recognition. I learned pretty much a family a day, maybe two families in a day, but no more.