[Help Thread] What sub sets should you learn at what time average?

[Unorthodox Cuber]

Back again, I have 1 pll left but right now can you guys rate these r perms?
Ra R U R' F' R U2 R' U2 R' F R U R U2 R' headlights on left
Rb R' U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2 headlights in front
Anyone have a decent Nb perm as well? Thanks!

 

[Malkom]

Back again, I have 1 pll left but right now can you guys rate these r perms?
Ra R U R' F' R U2 R' U2 R' F R U R U2 R' headlights on left
Rb R' U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2 headlights in front
Anyone have a decent Nb perm as well? Thanks!

I use the same Rperms, they're quite nice. For Nperms I think most people use the RUD alg, I myself prefer the RUF one.

 

[Unorthodox Cuber]

What is the RUF Nb perm? For Na perm I use R U R' U (Jb perm) U2 R U' R'

 

[Malkom]

R' U R U' R' F' U' F R U R' F R' F' R U' R

 

[Unorthodox Cuber]

I now average 18 when I try but technically 20 since I'm switching to color neutral and I lose about 2 seconds with pink and orange cross. I'm more so asking about 2x2 this time, but I average low 6 high 5 so should I switch to cll or wait until sub 5?
And for pyra, top or V? Drew uses top and he is a God a pyra while V first people like Livia, Daniel, and others aren't as fast as him.

 

[DGCubes]

And for pyra, top or V? Drew uses top and he is a God a pyra while V first people like Livia, Daniel, and others aren't as fast as him.

I'm gonna say V. Sure, Drew uses top first, but most other world class Pyraminxers use V-first. V-first is definitely easier (requires next to 0 algs), and personally I feel that it's just better overall. It's quite intuitive and easy to look ahead with.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

I now average 18 when I try but technically 20 since I'm switching to color neutral and I lose about 2 seconds with pink and orange cross. I'm more so asking about 2x2 this time, but I average low 6 high 5 so should I switch to cll or wait until sub 5?
And for pyra, top or V? Drew uses top and he is a God a pyra while V first people like Livia, Daniel, and others aren't as fast as him.

Learn CLL, it will make you easily sub-4.5 and with practice you can get down to high 2s.

source: sub 3 2x2 solver

 

[Malkom]

I'm gonna say V. Sure, Drew uses top first, but most other world class Pyraminxers use V-first. V-first is definitely easier (requires next to 0 algs), and personally I feel that it's just better overall. It's quite intuitive and easy to look ahead with.

Really? I thought top-first was way more popular than V-first.

 

[DGCubes]

Really? I thought top-first was way more popular than V-first.

It definitely used to be, but in the past years there's been a huge resurgence of fast V-first users. Of the people with official sub-3 averages, Rafał Waryszak, Maciej Czapiewski, Livia Kleiner, myself, Aniket Das, Henry Savich, Ryan Cho, Benjamin Kyle, and quite a few others (those are just some off the top of my head) all use L4E. In Nationals finals this year, I believe there were only two or three top first users. I feel that V-first is definitely getting more popular as time goes on; I haven't met any new Pyraminxers (who started in the past year or two) who use top first.

 

[applezfall]

I know its common since Jb is fast, just not who specifically off the top of my head. And heres the other N perm if you want an easy alg just to knock it out:

(r D r' U2)*5

I wouldnt use that indefinitely, but its better than 2 look for now

I like the mirror
r' D r U2 X5

 

[Unorthodox Cuber]

Learn CLL, it will make you easily sub-4.5 and with practice you can get down to high 2s.

source: sub 3 2x2 solver

I average sub 5 now with only 2 cll algs. Should I switch now or wait till sub 4.5?

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

I average sub 5 now with only 2 cll algs. Should I switch now or wait till sub 4.5?

Unless you don't have much time, there's no reason not to learn now.

 

[Unorthodox Cuber]

Thanks all for the replies. In the process of learning CLL and practicing Pyra. Now I'm moving on to the bigger things.
For 4x4 I average around 1:20 and I want to know how I can get faster. I use 3-2-3 and Yau.
For megaminx, my first time solve was 5 minutes. I have trouble with last layer so I'm assuming thats what's slowing me down.

 

[DhruvA]

Thanks all for the replies. In the process of learning CLL and practicing Pyra. Now I'm moving on to the bigger things.
For 4x4 I average around 1:20 and I want to know how I can get faster. I use 3-2-3 and Yau.
For megaminx, my first time solve was 5 minutes. I have trouble with last layer so I'm assuming thats what's slowing me down.

Megaminx Last layer doesn't really matter until you are averaging sub 2.
I know this guy who uses beginner ll on mega and still averages 1:15.

 

[Unorthodox Cuber]

Megaminx Last layer doesn't really matter until you are averaging sub 2.
I know this guy who uses beginner ll on mega and still averages 1:15.

OK but the problem is it takes me 3 minutes for ll. I'm working on everything else but I just can't get good at ll

 

[qaz]

Back again, I have 1 pll left but right now can you guys rate these r perms?
Ra R U R' F' R U2 R' U2 R' F R U R U2 R' headlights on left
Rb R' U2 R U2 R' F R U R' U' R' F' R2 headlights in front
Anyone have a decent Nb perm as well? Thanks!

You could try R U' R' U' R U R D R' U' R D' R' U2 R' for Ra - I prefer it since there's less U2s

 

[Unorthodox Cuber]

You could try R U' R' U' R U R D R' U' R D' R' U2 R' for Ra - I prefer it since there's less U2s

Thanks, but I've learned full PLL and gone through Drew's video and I've found the ones that suit me.