FallenCuber
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Sweet! I've tried ZZ out and as far as I can see, It looks incredibly fast and fun! As for right now I also use F2l + 4LLL although I call it CFOP.
What Method Do You Use?
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Sweet! I've tried ZZ out and as far as I can see, It looks incredibly fast and fun! As for right now I also use F2l + 4LLL although I call it CFOP.
theROUXbiksCube
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Method: Roux with 2-Look CMLL
Time: (PB) 30.245 (Avg5) 40-42~
Why: I used C F O P for a while but got bored with it and enjoy the more freedom and conceptual thinking involved with Roux.
Why I think its best: Not really applicable because I believe it is the cuber not the method but I feel even though CFOP is more popular Roux and Petrus, ZZ, etc. Are not inferior at all.
What I think someone can learn with Roux opposed to other methods: Aside from Godlike Blockbuilding (Alex Lau) you can also Learn a great way of placing M-Slice moves in your solves.
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FOR A GOOD TUTORIAL ON YOUTUBE YOU CAN USE WAFFLE'S TUTORIAL OR DONOVAN (LUBIX CUBE) 'S TUTORIAL
Time: (PB) 30.245 (Avg5) 40-42~
Why: I used C F O P for a while but got bored with it and enjoy the more freedom and conceptual thinking involved with Roux.
Why I think its best: Not really applicable because I believe it is the cuber not the method but I feel even though CFOP is more popular Roux and Petrus, ZZ, etc. Are not inferior at all.
What I think someone can learn with Roux opposed to other methods: Aside from Godlike Blockbuilding (Alex Lau) you can also Learn a great way of placing M-Slice moves in your solves.
OTHER INFO:
FOR A GOOD TUTORIAL ON YOUTUBE YOU CAN USE WAFFLE'S TUTORIAL OR DONOVAN (LUBIX CUBE) 'S TUTORIAL
DeeDubb
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Method: Roux
Time: Sub-23
Why: It was the first method I learned after Beginner Method
Why I think it's the best: It's not. No method is the best. It's the cuber. It's their dedication and natural ability.
What I think someone can learn from Roux and not other methods: Roux teaches good block building. CMLL is a good intro to COLL, whi ch is great for other methods. It teaches you how to use <M, U> very quickly and efficiently.
Other Info: Learn multiple methods! I'm practicing CFOP and Petrus for fun. I want to learn PLL/OLL and a lot of other things. The more methods you know, the better you will understand the cube.
Time: Sub-23
Why: It was the first method I learned after Beginner Method
Why I think it's the best: It's not. No method is the best. It's the cuber. It's their dedication and natural ability.
What I think someone can learn from Roux and not other methods: Roux teaches good block building. CMLL is a good intro to COLL, whi ch is great for other methods. It teaches you how to use <M, U> very quickly and efficiently.
Other Info: Learn multiple methods! I'm practicing CFOP and Petrus for fun. I want to learn PLL/OLL and a lot of other things. The more methods you know, the better you will understand the cube.
PJKCuber
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Method : CFOP
Time: 22 Seconds
Why: F2L just seemed so much faster than block building and OLL/PLL than LSE.
Why I think it's the best: Well, most of the fast cubers use it. It teaches you to be able to look ahead at a high tps. It is good for OH. You can force OLL/PLL skips.
Other Info: I learnt all the methods now except Petrus, and I might switch to Roux or ZZ because they seem way cooler.
Time: 22 Seconds
Why: F2L just seemed so much faster than block building and OLL/PLL than LSE.
Why I think it's the best: Well, most of the fast cubers use it. It teaches you to be able to look ahead at a high tps. It is good for OH. You can force OLL/PLL skips.
Other Info: I learnt all the methods now except Petrus, and I might switch to Roux or ZZ because they seem way cooler.
supercavitation
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Method: Roux
Time: 19.23/22.70/23.04/23.34 (global: sub-25)
Why: Move count, freedom, and LSE (previously used CFOP and ZZ)
Why I think it's the best: There is no best method, it's about what feels the best for you to execute, as well as what you have the most fun with
What I think someone can learn from Roux as opposed to other methods: M slice use (really good for BLD), CLL Recognition (used in other methods, but it's most important in Roux of the big 4), and freedom within limits (arguably has the most given limits of any method, yet also arguably the most freedom).
Other Info: I now know the big 4, plus a few others (CFCE, Heise, and a bunch of beginner methods), and I can say I've definitely learned something from all of them. I still use parts or all of each of them (except the beginner methods) for various events, too, so I'd say experiment with all of them, and see which one you like the best. Don't be afraid to switch!
Time: 19.23/22.70/23.04/23.34 (global: sub-25)
Why: Move count, freedom, and LSE (previously used CFOP and ZZ)
Why I think it's the best: There is no best method, it's about what feels the best for you to execute, as well as what you have the most fun with
What I think someone can learn from Roux as opposed to other methods: M slice use (really good for BLD), CLL Recognition (used in other methods, but it's most important in Roux of the big 4), and freedom within limits (arguably has the most given limits of any method, yet also arguably the most freedom).
Other Info: I now know the big 4, plus a few others (CFCE, Heise, and a bunch of beginner methods), and I can say I've definitely learned something from all of them. I still use parts or all of each of them (except the beginner methods) for various events, too, so I'd say experiment with all of them, and see which one you like the best. Don't be afraid to switch!
Fawn
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Method: CFOP
Times: ~13 second global average
Why: I joined this thread when I averaged about 17 seconds, so I never really found much help and advice, and kinda went by what I could find. I just happened to learn it due to a large amount of resources and documentation on the method I was able to find. I had never heard of roux before I joined this forum! Only cfop, zz, and petrus. (Lbl too, of course).
I tried switching to roux, but I have a form of short-term memory loss, so I often forgot what I was doing mid-solve. Cfop is much easier for me to keep track of, even when I forget what I'm doing.
Times: ~13 second global average
Why: I joined this thread when I averaged about 17 seconds, so I never really found much help and advice, and kinda went by what I could find. I just happened to learn it due to a large amount of resources and documentation on the method I was able to find. I had never heard of roux before I joined this forum! Only cfop, zz, and petrus. (Lbl too, of course).
I tried switching to roux, but I have a form of short-term memory loss, so I often forgot what I was doing mid-solve. Cfop is much easier for me to keep track of, even when I forget what I'm doing.
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IRNjuggle28
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Method: CFOP
Time: ~18 global
Why: I mostly solve big cubes, where the 3x3 stage is less important. Furthermore, Roux relies on M moves, which are out of the question on 5x5 and up, and ZZ relies on a decent amount of inspection time, which I don't get while doing the 3x3 stage of a 5x5+. As for Petrus, it just doesn't appear to be faster than CFOP in practice. As far as I know, nobody has gotten sub 10 global with Petrus. I think Roux might be the only method mentioned that has the potential to be faster than CFOP, but it isn't for me. (It has been faster than CFOP, actually. UWR AO100 is with Roux)
I disagree that method choice is of negligible importance compared to cubing skill. Switching methods won't make you faster, and there isn't a single method that's obviously the fastest. But acting like the method used isn't important is ridiculous.
Time: ~18 global
Why: I mostly solve big cubes, where the 3x3 stage is less important. Furthermore, Roux relies on M moves, which are out of the question on 5x5 and up, and ZZ relies on a decent amount of inspection time, which I don't get while doing the 3x3 stage of a 5x5+. As for Petrus, it just doesn't appear to be faster than CFOP in practice. As far as I know, nobody has gotten sub 10 global with Petrus. I think Roux might be the only method mentioned that has the potential to be faster than CFOP, but it isn't for me. (It has been faster than CFOP, actually. UWR AO100 is with Roux)
I disagree that method choice is of negligible importance compared to cubing skill. Switching methods won't make you faster, and there isn't a single method that's obviously the fastest. But acting like the method used isn't important is ridiculous.
waffle=ijm
Waffo
Method(s): PRSCM
Time: 10-11
Why: Blocks are cool
Why I think it is the best: I don't really think it's the best method, but it's the best method for me.
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: A different view on the cube.
Time: 10-11
Why: Blocks are cool
Why I think it is the best: I don't really think it's the best method, but it's the best method for me.
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: A different view on the cube.
Fawn
Regular
What the AAAAAAA is prscm?
ZamHalen
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Method:CFOP
Time:15-16 seconds
Why: It just progressed sort of naturally for me. I started with 3 Look LL and slowly worked my way into mostly two look (I sledge hammer out of dot cases so I'm missing some). I found more useful resources than for Roux and Petrus also which kind of sealed the deal.
Why do I think it's the best: I actually don't think it's the best, if I were to order methods from best to worse it would probably be Roux/ZZ> CFOP>Petrus. There just isn't as much work being done with ZZ and Roux when compared with CFOP.
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: Sadly I don't know if there is much to learn for a majority of people. F2L promotes an understanding of the cube, but so so does block building.
Other: CFOP is easily the most accessible, but Roux and ZZ have a lot of untapped potential. I personally use petrus as a secondary method because I really like the approach and even considered completely switching at one point. I ended up changing my mind because I really hate CxLL and realized that it was the standard for Petrus and Roux.
Time:15-16 seconds
Why: It just progressed sort of naturally for me. I started with 3 Look LL and slowly worked my way into mostly two look (I sledge hammer out of dot cases so I'm missing some). I found more useful resources than for Roux and Petrus also which kind of sealed the deal.
Why do I think it's the best: I actually don't think it's the best, if I were to order methods from best to worse it would probably be Roux/ZZ> CFOP>Petrus. There just isn't as much work being done with ZZ and Roux when compared with CFOP.
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: Sadly I don't know if there is much to learn for a majority of people. F2L promotes an understanding of the cube, but so so does block building.
Other: CFOP is easily the most accessible, but Roux and ZZ have a lot of untapped potential. I personally use petrus as a secondary method because I really like the approach and even considered completely switching at one point. I ended up changing my mind because I really hate CxLL and realized that it was the standard for Petrus and Roux.
FallenCuber
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I believe PRSCM is essentially Roux, although there must be some type of difference if there is a different name for it. I'm not 100% sure though.
Renslay
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Method(s): Roux.
Time: 14.5-ish.
Why: My first speedsolve method was Petrus, so I already knew the basics of blockbuildings.
Why I think it is the best: for my taste: it is more intuitive + requires few number of moves (relatively to other speedmethods) + requires small number of algorithms to learn + little to no cube rotations.
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: Solving the cube in an efficient way. The tricks I learned for Roux also helped my FMC, ZZ and F2L techniques. It helps you look at the cube in a different way, and centers are not so fixed anymore.
Also, M move fingertricks. Furthermore, C*LL recognition, which is really good for COLL and 2x2 CLL.
Other: Even if you chose your main method, study other methods constantly! They help you a lot in your main. For example, I know all the PLLs and many OLLs, I love ZZ, and my favorite experimental method is Noah's CP2.
Time: 14.5-ish.
Why: My first speedsolve method was Petrus, so I already knew the basics of blockbuildings.
Why I think it is the best: for my taste: it is more intuitive + requires few number of moves (relatively to other speedmethods) + requires small number of algorithms to learn + little to no cube rotations.
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: Solving the cube in an efficient way. The tricks I learned for Roux also helped my FMC, ZZ and F2L techniques. It helps you look at the cube in a different way, and centers are not so fixed anymore.
Also, M move fingertricks. Furthermore, C*LL recognition, which is really good for COLL and 2x2 CLL.
Other: Even if you chose your main method, study other methods constantly! They help you a lot in your main. For example, I know all the PLLs and many OLLs, I love ZZ, and my favorite experimental method is Noah's CP2.
CheesecakeCuber
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Method(s): Roux
Time: ~17-18s
Why: LSE convinced me of Roux's supreme sexiness. And the block building thought process and rotationless aspect is interesting.
Why I think it is the best: It's the best because I said so. All cubers should use Roux *sarcasm alert*
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: More efficient ways to solve and insert pairs in awkward positions
Time: ~17-18s
Why: LSE convinced me of Roux's supreme sexiness. And the block building thought process and rotationless aspect is interesting.
Why I think it is the best: It's the best because I said so. All cubers should use Roux *sarcasm alert*
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: More efficient ways to solve and insert pairs in awkward positions
Method: ZZ
Time: 19s or 20s (depends on the day lol)
Why: Because I saw some solves by Phil Yu (A small kitten) and just thought it looked awesome so I went and learned it
Why it's the best: it's probably not the best haha but best for me I think.... I feel it engages the mind a lot more than cfop does... When I used to use cfop I felt kinda brain dead while solving like I wasn't really doing anything now with ZZ I have a lot more fun. I also feels it allows for some crazy tps and look ahead because with no cube rotations during your first two layers it's much more easier to track peices.. Oh and don't even get me started on the block building it's just awesome it makes you feel free in a sense.. I know it's still a more structured style of block building Roux being the true example of freedom but ZZs block building still gives you a lot of that joy. I'm actually surprised I'm the first main ZZ user to post I guess there really isn't that much of us and it's a shame because this method really has some potential we just need more people actually practicing it lol
Time: 19s or 20s (depends on the day lol)
Why: Because I saw some solves by Phil Yu (A small kitten) and just thought it looked awesome so I went and learned it
Why it's the best: it's probably not the best haha but best for me I think.... I feel it engages the mind a lot more than cfop does... When I used to use cfop I felt kinda brain dead while solving like I wasn't really doing anything now with ZZ I have a lot more fun. I also feels it allows for some crazy tps and look ahead because with no cube rotations during your first two layers it's much more easier to track peices.. Oh and don't even get me started on the block building it's just awesome it makes you feel free in a sense.. I know it's still a more structured style of block building Roux being the true example of freedom but ZZs block building still gives you a lot of that joy. I'm actually surprised I'm the first main ZZ user to post I guess there really isn't that much of us and it's a shame because this method really has some potential we just need more people actually practicing it lol
guysensei1
Legend
Method: CFOP
Time: sub 15 I guess
Why: it's the one I started with, and I can't be bothered to switch.
Why I think it's the best: I don't. I don't think any method is the best.
EDIT: I think PCMS has so much potential. It's terribly underdeveloped IMO.
Time: sub 15 I guess
Why: it's the one I started with, and I can't be bothered to switch.
Why I think it's the best: I don't. I don't think any method is the best.
EDIT: I think PCMS has so much potential. It's terribly underdeveloped IMO.
TDM
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Methods: CFOP
Time: sometimes ~13.2, sometimes 15, but usually 14.2.
Why: Because I'm too lazy to practise other methods.
Why I think it is the best: I don't. It's boring. I prefer Roux/PCMS/ZZ, but I don't like being slow so I don't use them.
What I think someone can learn from this method opposed to others: Some algs and not much more.
Time: sometimes ~13.2, sometimes 15, but usually 14.2.
Why: Because I'm too lazy to practise other methods.
Why I think it is the best: I don't. It's boring. I prefer Roux/PCMS/ZZ, but I don't like being slow so I don't use them.
What I think someone can learn from this method opposed to others: Some algs and not much more.
Method: CFOP (4LLL)
Time: ~ 30 seconds
Why: I used a beginners method that starts also with cross... and I like to solve 4x4 and yau with CFOP is IMO a very good combination and very fast (all WR)
Why I think it is the best: easy to understand because there are only 2 intuitive steps and those aren't that hard to understand..
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: fast solutions for big cubes.
Other info: I'm thinking of switching to ZZ because I like the idea of no cube rotations (because I do way too much rotations) and the idea that you always have orientated edges for the LL..
Time: ~ 30 seconds
Why: I used a beginners method that starts also with cross... and I like to solve 4x4 and yau with CFOP is IMO a very good combination and very fast (all WR)
Why I think it is the best: easy to understand because there are only 2 intuitive steps and those aren't that hard to understand..
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: fast solutions for big cubes.
Other info: I'm thinking of switching to ZZ because I like the idea of no cube rotations (because I do way too much rotations) and the idea that you always have orientated edges for the LL..
Bindedsa
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Method: CFOP
Time: 11.5ish
Why: I am a conformist, who likes learning tons of algorithms
Why I think it's the best: Because switching methods is too hard
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: How to minimize mental effort
Time: 11.5ish
Why: I am a conformist, who likes learning tons of algorithms
Why I think it's the best: Because switching methods is too hard
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: How to minimize mental effort
Tao Yu
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Method: CFOP
Time: ~9.5
Why: The transition from beginners method (I learned from youcandothecube.com) to CFOP just felt natural to me.
Why I think it's the best: Fast triggers, high TPS potential, F2L tricks, less thinking, easy recognition, more versatile (i.e better for big cubes and OH).
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: TPS, learning algs.
Method: Roux
Time:~11
Why: Using Roux seems to be the hip thing nowadays.
Why I think it's the best: low movecount, more freedom, lots of tricks and shortcuts, CFOP LL is boring.
What I think someone can learn from this method opposed to others: blockbuilding, figuring stuff out for yourself (since the resources for Roux are kinda limited).
PRSCM = professional roux speedcubing method. It's a kind of joke lol.
Time: ~9.5
Why: The transition from beginners method (I learned from youcandothecube.com) to CFOP just felt natural to me.
Why I think it's the best: Fast triggers, high TPS potential, F2L tricks, less thinking, easy recognition, more versatile (i.e better for big cubes and OH).
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: TPS, learning algs.
Method: Roux
Time:~11
Why: Using Roux seems to be the hip thing nowadays.
Why I think it's the best: low movecount, more freedom, lots of tricks and shortcuts, CFOP LL is boring.
What I think someone can learn from this method opposed to others: blockbuilding, figuring stuff out for yourself (since the resources for Roux are kinda limited).
PRSCM = professional roux speedcubing method. It's a kind of joke lol.
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Bryan Chia
Regular
Method: CFOP (2-Look-OLL and Full PLL)
Time: 19.88 (fluke) but normally I sub-30
Why: Because my friend taught me the beginners method since I started cubing and I've been using it since then.
Why I think it's the best: Because switching methods is quite hard, you have to start from bottom again. I would rather focus on 1 method first and keep on doing it until I get the results I'm satisfied
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: There are heaps of algorithms for you to learn (if you're the type of person who loves learning new stuff + a good brain)
Time: 19.88 (fluke) but normally I sub-30
Why: Because my friend taught me the beginners method since I started cubing and I've been using it since then.
Why I think it's the best: Because switching methods is quite hard, you have to start from bottom again. I would rather focus on 1 method first and keep on doing it until I get the results I'm satisfied
What I think Someone can learn from this method opposed to others: There are heaps of algorithms for you to learn (if you're the type of person who loves learning new stuff + a good brain)
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