What is this forum meant to be for?- I've just had ENOUGH of the rude, discouraging..

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I thought that this forum was meant to be for... BEING HAPPY!
What the hell? No. Do you live in Unicorn Land?
Do you actually think that when this site was made, that the intention was for everyone to BE HAPPY.


Also, so this is what looks to have happened:
-You post "Hey guys, I'm thinking of a crazy method, with thousands of algs, where you skip the LL. I have no idea how I'm going to go about this, nor will I say anything about my method, other than these 2 lines. See everyone in 5 years!"
-People make fun of how stupid that sounds.
-You get angry, because people pointed out how stupid your method was, instead of BEING HAPPY, and saying "Wow, such a great idea! I'll sit in this chair, and wait 5 years just for you! Your method seems amazing!"

I don't know how old you are, but in life, if you give out stupid ideas, without a single back up or information of what you're doing, methods, etc..., then people are going to let you know that it's stupid. Don't try to live in a sheltered life, where your parents are always telling you that everything you do is great, and that your the hottest person in school.
 
As far as I can see, people told you off because your idea had no content.
This is justified to some extent, as it was a waste of a thread (and not even a humorous one!); the vagueness of this idea is pretty extreme.

As for the "hating" or "rudeness:" although it's not appropriate, being here for three years should have taught you that this would have been the general reaction.
This doesn't justify the rudeness, but an embrace for it would have been appropriate.

-Statue

Well, you know, i did not want you guys to wait for me to finish making the method; i am just pointing out that i am making a new method that's all. I know it maybe impossible, but hey, it may not be, no one may ever know the truth of some things if they don't explore very deep into it.

So what i am trying to say is that: "Don't wait for me, continue with things of other importance; and don't worry about the method. Even if it takes years or maybe never to finish.........."
 
Well, you know, i did not want you guys to wait for me to finish making the method; i am just pointing out that i am making a new method that's all. I know it maybe impossible, but hey, it may not be, no one may ever know the truth of some things if they don't explore very deep into it.

So what i am trying to say is that: "Don't wait for me, continue with things of other importance; and don't worry about the method. Even if it takes years or maybe never to finish.........."

Then what would be the point of even announcing this method? What you're basically saying is that you meant to tell everyone "ohai geyz i thought of dis NEW! supamethod and i know i dont have anythiing worked out now but dont worry about it and forget i said anything, BUT IN 5 YEARS I WILL HAVE THIS METHOD DONE. just lettin ya no. letz be happay"

Makes no sense at all. People get put off with the idea of like 500 some algs just for ZBLL, and Ranza already figured out that just for R U R' insert F2l cases there is like 7000+ algs just for that F2L pair insertion. Surely you can't possibly dream that anyone would even bother with your method...?

Jus' sayin.
 
You should be banned. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I also like this post, because it A. Doesn't quote anyone, leaving it up in the air who the target is. And B. Insinuates that not knowing what you're talking about is a bannable offence, which is just *barely* over the top. :D

Yeah, I'm only in this thread to critique the posts.
 
Insinuates that not knowing what you're talking about is a bannable offence, which is just *barely* over the top. :D

His odd sense of entitlement is the offence. Banning him shouldn't be an issue if he wanted to leave anyway.

I'd ask him about his method ideas, but there's no point because I know it's all bollocks.
 
I also like this post, because it A. Doesn't quote anyone, leaving it up in the air who the target is. And B. Insinuates that not knowing what you're talking about is a bannable offence, which is just *barely* over the top. :D

Yeah, I'm only in this thread to critique the posts.
This post is interesting because A. It quotes a post, making sure we know who you're talking about. And B. It implies that being barely over the top is a good thing :D

Yeah, I'm the second in this thread to critique the posts.
 
No I did not. Kir, Dene, and Stefan have been making "rude" responses in and out of the forums since...well forever. We've just gotten used to it by now and they really aren't serious. Do I agree with it...eh, it depends and honestly, I don't care. It's just something they do. Yes, they can get out of hand, but for most of the part, their comments aren't worth getting your panties all worked up for. Not theirs or anybody else's for that matter are worth getting mad over. And if you've met them in real life, they're actually really nice guys. Not mean at all and considered very helpful.

Usually when I am rude I am serious. Also, I doubt we have met because I am not a "really nice guy" by any stretch of the imagination. Also, definitely not "very helpful".

When i said even though i am quiting cubing for 2 years, Dene Bea....sly said (similar):

Dene: "The two years of peace i have been waiting for"

Not what I said, and considering you could easily check and quote me word for word I'm not sure why you decided to just go off memory and end up getting it wrong. Why edit out my name? Everyone knows it, or can find it with one click of their mouse (literally).

Well, my comment to you is back off, leave me alone. The reason i joined the Australian WCA Competitions was to have fun, i don't really care about the times anyway. And you suddenly think that i am there just to waste your time because i can't reach the cut-off limit. Oh, so what you are saying is that only if you can reach the cut off limit, then you can participate in those events. And so much more i could see your UNKINDNESS.

Cut offs have absolutely nothing to do with you. I think you are being way too egocentric. I hope you will notice that in the 3x3 event we have been trying to go with the absolute upper limit, that is only taking out 25% of competitors in each new round as required by the regulations. In other events we set cut offs based on what we know is reasonable (I stress the point that we do know what times count as reasonable by current standards).

The reason we have cut offs is to ensure that we can keep to schedule, so that we can have as many events as possible, and so that we can have as many rounds as possible. If a cut off is set based on what we know any cuber could reach with a decent amount of practise. Some are harsher than others because they take up more time, for example 5x5+ sized cubes. In all fairness though, some of us (for example myself or Feliks) worked our butts off to reach the times that we are at so that now we are able reach the cut offs set (at least, Feliks can reach all of the cut offs; I can reach the ones that I care about). If you choose not to put in that same effort to reach the cut offs that is no fault of ours.

Also I never said that you were there to waste our time. I have no idea where you came up with this idea; I assume that in your anger you made a up a whole lot of negative ideas in your head, thinking that everyone is out to get you or something. I can assure you that this is not the case; we want as many people as possible to come to competitions. You further say that "i am there to waste your time because i can't reach the cut-off limit". I have no idea what you think cut offs have to do with anything, but the reason cut offs are there is for the exact opposite to what you think. We have cut offs to avoid people wasting our time, as in, the cut off is there so that you won't waste our time if you can't reach it.

As to your next statement, again I would encourage as many people to compete in as many events as possible. I do have certain exceptions to this statement, however. They are not unreasonable exceptions. For example, I would encourage people to compete in 6x6 and 7x7 only if they were likely to reach the cut off. The reason for this is that if a cuber were serious about either of these events they would be able to reach the cut off (therefore the cuber should not mind if they do not compete in the event) and also the fact that it wastes considerable time and resources (scrambler and judge) for someone that does not care about the event and is going to take a long time to get through.

Of course I am unkind. I never tried to convince you or anyone else of the opposite. I am glad that we are now on the same page.

Now would you like me to explain why I made the comment that I did in the original thread? I will do so anyway so hopefully you can at least understand my point of view. I do not care whether you agree with my point of view or not.

The first and obvious reason is that you made a silly thread. This has already been explained in detail below and I need not say anymore other than for some reason you take this personally, when really most people do not know who you are nor care at all. All that matters is that people see a silly thread and then some decide that it is their responsibility to inform you of this. Usually they choose to inform you in an indirect manner (insults or rudeness or whatever) and therefore it might not come across as polite, but where is the fun in being polite?

The second reason is somewhat more specific to competitions. I will not go into detail in a public place due to privacy issues but if you wish for me to give you my specific reasons I would be happy to send you a PM.

Finally, you ask me to "back off". I would like to know at which point I "backed in", so to speak, as I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
So before people accuse me of condoning rudeness, I will go ahead and say in plain English that I do condone rudeness when it is justified. Not everybody is a good forum member when they first join, I'd say a majority of them are quite poor. The process through which people learn to become good, contributing members of the forums varies on a personal basis. Some people lurk and learn by example, and some people post stupidly and are torn apart. Tim Major's transformation is a good example of the latter in action. When people are flamed repeatedly they will either correct their behavior or leave the site (voluntarily or through a ban). Both are preferable to continued poor posting. Instead of being thin-skinned and egotistical, think about why what you wrote may have elicited this sort of reaction from people.

As for Kir/Dene/Stefan, it is not an issue of extra rights gained through seniority, it is an issue of correctness. The things they point out as stupid ARE stupid. They ARE pointless, and they should not be on the forum. K/D/S are also willing to elaborate on why something is stupid if prompted, as they have done so in this thread.

The flip side of this is the fine line between justified rudeness and pointless repetitive flaming. 20 posts in a row of people jumping on a flaming bandwagon is not ok.

For the record, I've always liked that idea. Not sure all the other mods are with me on that though.
I throw that under the wide umbrella of "asshattery."

Also, in a direct answer to the OP's question, PJK made this forum so he could learn more about cubing from people who knew what they were talking about.
 
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Holy rage...

In all seriousness I have no idea who you are. You're probably a cool cat. That's all I'm going to say.

As far as f3l, its cool to make a thread like that, but be prepared to discuss and defend your method if you start a thread about it. If its at least 100 algs, which we all agree something like f3l would take, well what is your estimated upper bound? What have you discovered about this ll skip method so far? Are you able to construct a solve as an example to how you would approach the solve and recognition?

This is why you were flamed. Not because you're stupid, but posted something rediculous without any kind of backbone. It was honestly just clutter on the homepage.

Get serious and I will discuss open mindedly with you.
 
You post a topic that is essentially spam
Oh, good point. This sums up why I (and other people?) am annoyed by certain topics.

When people are flamed repeatedly they will either correct their behavior or leave the site (voluntarily or through a ban). Both are preferable to continued poor posting.
I agree these are preferable to continued poor posting. There is a third option, though; some people will stay on the site, while not becoming any smarter or behaving better, and just getting more trollish/angry. YouKnowWhoIMean™
 
I showed this to Zane as soon as you posted, but had indoor soccer so I couldn't defend myself. Please point out any posts I've done to insult Timothy in this thread. I feel you used me and Zane as "examples" as we were the previous posts, but I see no flaming, just advice or pointing out of facts from us.
I'm not saying I've never flamed anyone, but I try not to. I can recall me flaming/trolling a few months ago and I got temp banned so I learnt from it.
And contributing to the community does not authorise you to flame others.

Actually when I read both Zane's and your comments I interpreted them as having a mocking tone.
 
Yeah I'm with the OP... A lot of people on the forums are constantly picking on people for making stupid threads because they think it's clogging up the forums, especially if someone decides to join the forum for the first time because they have a question. The second a new member puts up a thread that someone doesn't like, they get tons of people down their throats about something they didn't know any better about. And yes, they should read the forum rules, but not everyone's perfect. These people are all commenting on it saying "this thread is stupid," but that's just going to bring the thread back up to the top of the recent posts list.
 
Yeah I'm with the OP... A lot of people on the forums are constantly picking on people for making stupid threads because they think it's clogging up the forums, especially if someone decides to join the forum for the first time because they have a question. The second a new member puts up a thread that someone doesn't like, they get tons of people down their throats about something they didn't know any better about. And yes, they should read the forum rules, but not everyone's perfect. These people are all commenting on it saying "this thread is stupid," but that's just going to bring the thread back up to the top of the recent posts list.

I might agree sometimes, but one problem. OP isn't new. He's been around since before a lot of people here.
 
Every forum has elitism within its members and this one is no different. What bugs me is the amount of self indulgence and lack of self restriction some people show when refuting or discussing a topic in this one. This scares newcomers as they are rapidly labeled as noobs, idiots, slow or the like... and with a such a small community as the cubing world has, exercising tolerance and patience (coated with a friendly attitude) surely would do wonders for everyone in the long run.

There is kind of a caste system to this place, in which people like me (+24"avrg, no means to attend to official meetings, meet other SS members IRL and lack of deep puzzle theory knowledge or amazing skills) are second class members and newcomers (if they go out of the one question answer thread out of ignorance or in their enthusiasm post a lot of stuff) are paria.

Not everyone is like this though, and I find a lot of people here to be really smart and polite. Is just the really smart ones + that are rude that ruin it for me.

--Edit-- I got ninjad two posts above
 
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Usually when I am rude I am serious. Also, I doubt we have met because I am not a "really nice guy" by any stretch of the imagination. Also, definitely not "very helpful".

Maybe not a "really nice guy" but you're not like online. :tu
 
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