Waffle's Roux Tutorial

[chimchu]

Thank you waffle. i decided to start fridrich now, but im learning bob burtons 4 look last layer which only has like, 10 algs and your roux block building tutorials are actually helping me solve the f2l intuitively.

 

[Ickathu]

don't be deterred by the alg count. Most "fast" methods require a fair amount of algs. The last layer can be solved with just 4 algs, then the next level of progression would be 11 algs (2 EO, 7 CO, 1 EP, 1 CP), then 16 (2 eo, 7 co, 4 ep, 3 cp), then slowly you'd build up to 30 (2 eo, 7 co, 21 PLL) and finally 78 (57 OLL, 21 PLL).
The alg count in the full roux method (not counting extra stuff like EO+CMLL algs) is only 42.
The alg count for ZZ (not counting COLL stuff, which most users end up learning) is only 28.

So don't be scared by a "high" number of algs. I know somewhere over 100 algs and lots of people know more than that. I didn't even really try to learn that many, I just learned algs slowly and decided one day to count how many I knew and it was over 100, and that was fairly long ago, I probably know more now.

oh, and 2 look CMLL, which is what you would learn first before you started learning all the CMLL algs has only 9 algs, iirc.

 

[chimchu]

thanks ickathu. at least someone can help out a noob without being rude. and i already learn 5 2 look cmll algs since yesterday so i think i'll be fine. i just have to be persisitant lol.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Should I do eo intuitively with moo or learn the algs. I think algs would be faster.

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

Should I do eo intuitively with moo or learn the algs. I think algs would be faster.

You're wrong. It's faster to learn how to cycle intuitively. In fact, the entirety of LSE should be intuitive.

 

[CheesecakeCuber]

Yes! Intuitive LSE is definitely faster. It's not very hard to learn what cases come after what. After, becoming more familiar with EO cases and solving with Roux a fair amount of times, you'll be able to cycle pretty fast.

 

[Ickathu]

Intuitive all the way. That way you can become familiar with it and you'll know what you're doing and be able to track pieces and look-ahead to UL/UR. Also, you'll be able to modify the algs a bit if you see an easier way to set up the next step. For instance you could modify the EO solving to automatically pair up opposite or even insert UL and UR by a simple variation (U instead of U', M instead of M', that kind of stuff.)

 

[TheNextFeliks]

UL/UR is the slowest part of lse for me. More than eo. I have trouble finding them. I usually auf so corners are correct then auf again to solve them.

 

[kasochi]

I have a question about LSE with wide turns.
You know, wide turns can shorten moves of some last 3-cycle cases(for example, M2 U2 M' U2 M' case can be solved by Uw2 M Uw2 M, too).
Is this way suitable for speedsolve?

 

[Kirjava]

Seems way way slower to me. Lower movecount doesn't mean faster alg.

 

[kasochi]

thanks.
I'll continue to practice w/o this way.

 

[adragast]

Just a small thank you note. Some weeks ago, I used Roux for the first time at a comp and got a single best of 22.11 and an average of 23.70. I am about 20s with Fridrich so I am satisfied with these times. A big thanks to the Roux community :tu

 

[oll+phase+sync]

Just a small thank you note. Some weeks ago, I used Roux for the first time at a comp and got a single best of 22.11 and an average of 23.70. I am about 20s with Fridrich so I am satisfied with these times. A big thanks to the Roux community :tu

May I ask how many algs you use for Fridrich and how many for Roux?

 

[adragast]

May I ask how many algs you use for Fridrich and how many for Roux?

I am not sure about the exact count but I use one look OLL and one look PLL (does not mean I am fast with them). For Roux I use 2 look CMLL.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

I average like 26 ATM. My splits are like 6-7-4-9. Which step should I work on? What tips do you have?

 

[CheesecakeCuber]

I average like 26 ATM. My splits are like 6-7-4-9. Which step should I work on? What tips do you have?

Planning of at least 2/3 of the FB.
FB to SB transition always.
LSE. I average about 18-19 and my LSE is 4 seconds on avg.

 

[YddEd]

I average like 26 ATM. My splits are like 6-7-4-9. Which step should I work on? What tips do you have?

Your blocks?
How many moves do you usually do on your first and second block?

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Planning of at least 2/3 of the FB.
FB to SB transition always.
LSE. I average about 18-19 and my LSE is 4 seconds on avg.

Yeah my lse is really slow. How to improve it?

Your blocks?
How many moves do you usually do on your first and second block?

Ok. Idk like 10-12 for first and a little more for second I think.

 

[CheesecakeCuber]

Yeah my lse is really slow. How to improve it?

Ok. Idk like 10-12 for first and a little more for second I think.

Use the Roux scrambler on qqtimer a lot. Drill your M U technique. Make sure you already know the next LSE case while you are executing the current one.

For blocks, do slow solves and watch Alex's example solves. You can see some really nice fluidity and technique there.

 

[Cool Frog]

I average ~14-16 and my LSE is 4 seconds

WORK ON DEM BLOCKS. (I need to work on them more, also)