Waffle's Roux Tutorial

[miniGOINGS]

Average of 5 Step 4:

A: 5.66
B: 4.33
C: 4
Total: 14

Don't have time for a 12 right now, going to football soon. I took out the best and worst times and averaged the middle three.

 

[Tiw]

you're amazing!
If you have time, you can tell me how you do that!

 

[miniGOINGS]

you're amazing!
If you have time, you can tell me how you do that!

EO while setting up L&R. L&R while setting up M-slice. M-slice while putting down cube. Average ~4 seconds I think (I haven't timed for about a month).

 

[Tiw]

you're amazing!
If you have time, you can tell me how you do that!

EO while setting up L&R. L&R while setting up M-slice. M-slice while putting down cube. Average ~4 seconds I think (I haven't timed for about a month).

Interesting...And how you do that?

 

[jms_gears1]

roux central is dead?
the page doesnt render past the ad...

 

[miniGOINGS]

you're amazing!
If you have time, you can tell me how you do that!

EO while setting up L&R. L&R while setting up M-slice. M-slice while putting down cube. Average ~4 seconds I think (I haven't timed for about a month).

Interesting...And how you do that?

I'll do a couple solutions for you.

Let's try M' U2 M2 U M U' M2 U2 M' U' M U' M2 as a scramble. For EO, I do U2 M' U M' U2 M'. Now I see that the L&R edges will be placed beside each other by doing U. Because the corners don't match I would do a M' to put them on D. U moves the corners into there correct places and M2 inserts the edges. Then U' M2 U2 M' U2 M' solves it. Total solution is U2 M' U M' U2 M' U M' U M2 U' M2 U2 M' U2 M' which is 16 moves long and has no M moves.

How about U2 M U2 M' U M U' M2 U2 M U M' U M U2 M U' M' U' M2 U M' U M. EO is U' M'. Doing a U would put the L&R edges apart from each other so we do U'. M' because the corners don't match. Then U M2 U' for L&R. M2 U2 M' U2 M to solve it. Total solution is U' M' U' M' U M2 U' M2 U2 M' U2 M which is 12 moves long.

Please feel free to ask questions or provide me with scrambles you want me to show you.

 

[piemaster]

Mwahahah! I am naow a petrus user.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Mwahahah! I am naow a petrus user.

Okey dokey then. I think I should time one of my petrus solves.

 

[Tiw]

Your example solves helps a lot!
I give you more srambles
1.) U2 M' U M' U M2 U2 M' U2 M2 U2 M' U M2 U2 M U M2 U2 M U M2 U2 M' U2
2.) U' M2 U' M2 U2 M' U2 M' U' M2 U2 M U M U2 M2 U M' U' M' U' M U M2 U2
3.) M' U M' U M U2 M' U' M2 U M2 U M' U2 M' U2 M2 U2 M' U M U2 M2 U M

 

[miniGOINGS]

1.) U2 M' U M' U M2 U2 M' U2 M2 U2 M' U M2 U2 M U M2 U2 M U M2 U2 M' U2

EO is U M2 U M' U2 M'. U M' puts the L&R edges on D. U' M2 places them. Now we see that it is a double switch as I like to call it. So we do U M2 U2 M2. Total is U M2 U M' U2 M' U M' U' M2 U M2 U2 M2 which is 14 moves and has no M.

2.) U' M2 U' M2 U2 M' U2 M' U' M2 U2 M U M U2 M2 U M' U' M' U' M U M2 U2

EO is U2 M' U2 M'. U M solves the L&R edges. U D2 M' E2 M' solves the rest. Total is U2 M' U2 M' U M U D2 M' E2 M' which is 11 moves.

3.) M' U M' U M U2 M' U' M2 U M2 U M' U2 M' U2 M2 U2 M' U M U2 M2 U M

EO is U M U' M' U M'. L&R is U M' U2 M. U solves it. Total is U M U' M' U M' U M' U2 M U which is 11 moves.

 

[Tiw]

Okay, thank you!
I have to say that I don't understand your solution completely.
You're definitely right, you orient and permute simultaneously...
Do you use for that Roux's optimization table for step 4a?

 

[miniGOINGS]

Okay, thank you!
I have to say that I don't understand your solution completely.
You're definitely right, you orient and permute simultaneously...
Do you use for that Roux's optimization table for step 4a?

No, I don't use the table. What I try to do is change the last 2 moves of EO so that I get a very fast L&R. While I'm inserting the L&R I try to solve the M-slice. It takes a lot of practice (at least it did for me ) but it's very easy to do once you get used to it.

 

[ArcticxWolf]

Well I've been using roux for the last.....hour? and i'm really liking it, a lot more than fridrich although it feels more complicated.

Fridrich seems to be so much more stiff after I started learning roux...its weird ><

 

[miniGOINGS]

Well I've been using roux for the last.....hour? and i'm really liking it, a lot more than fridrich although it feels more complicated.

Fridrich seems to be so much more stiff after I started learning roux...its weird ><

Wow, after an hour you're approaching sub-1!

 

[waffle=ijm]

Well I've been using roux for the last.....hour? and i'm really liking it, a lot more than fridrich although it feels more complicated.

Fridrich seems to be so much more stiff after I started learning roux...its weird ><

Roux is not complicated...

 

[Tiw]

Your EO looks very strange, when I have given you scrambles where the centers aren't oriented, you don't make an M-move first.
What are you doing here?

1.) U2 M' U M' U M2 U2 M' U2 M2 U2 M' U M2 U2 M U M2 U2 M U M2 U2 M' U2
EO is U M2 U M' U2 M'. U M' puts the L&R edges on D. U' M2 places them. Now we see that it is a double switch as I like to call it. So we do U M2 U2 M.
Total is U M2 U M' U2 M' U M' U' M2 U M2 U2 M2 which is 14 moves and has no M.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Your EO looks very strange, when I have given you scrambles where the centers aren't oriented, you don't make an M-move first.
What are you doing here?

1.) U2 M' U M' U M2 U2 M' U2 M2 U2 M' U M2 U2 M U M2 U2 M U M2 U2 M' U2
EO is U M2 U M' U2 M'. U M' puts the L&R edges on D. U' M2 places them. Now we see that it is a double switch as I like to call it. So we do U M2 U2 M.
Total is U M2 U M' U2 M' U M' U' M2 U M2 U2 M2 which is 14 moves and has no M.

Ok, so first thing I notice about this scramble is that centers are mixed up, and the bottom is a line. Then I see that the top is a triangle thing. If I were to do M I would have to AUF and then start my EO alg. Same with M'. By doing a U first, I can do M' to fix the centers, and then start my EO alg. But because my EO alg starts with M', I just combine them into M2. (If I did fix the centers first, my solution would have been M U M' U M' U2 M' U M' U M' U2 M U' M2 U2 M' U2 M' which is 5 moves longer.) So my EO is U M2 U M' U2 M'. Then I see the L edge at DB and the R edge at UL. By doing a U I can match up the edges. Then I do a M so that the edges are on the bottom. U' matches the corners, M2 places the L&R edges between the corners. Now before we do U' to finish the L&R sides, we see the M-slice edges that have to be switched. We do U M2 U2 M2 to solve it. I hope this made sense, any more questions?

 

[waffle=ijm]

miniGOINGS is starting to confuse me...and I thought I was a roux solver.

 

[miniGOINGS]

miniGOINGS is starting to confuse me...and I thought I was a roux solver.

Maybe you should post your solves.

 

[waffle=ijm]

miniGOINGS is starting to confuse me...and I thought I was a roux solver.

Maybe you should post your solves.

i'd need scrambles for that.