US Nationals and Open 2009

[Hadley4000]

I also agree that this date change is bad.

As Dan said, most schools in America start in Mid/Late August. Also, as Dan said, a lot of schools are making Freshman Orientation earlier and earlier. I think that this would rule out a LOT of cubers.

Actually, if anything, I think that it should be made earlier. That gives people a lot more time to prepare for school without having to take a break to pack for something else.

 

[Sa967St]

I can probably come as long as its not in July, because thats when I have summer school (I live in Canada).

 

[Tyson]

I also agree that this date change is bad.

As Dan said, most schools in America start in Mid/Late August. Also, as Dan said, a lot of schools are making Freshman Orientation earlier and earlier. I think that this would rule out a LOT of cubers.

Actually, if anything, I think that it should be made earlier. That gives people a lot more time to prepare for school without having to take a break to pack for something else.

I think this is a good point. Aug 14, 15, 16 probably brings it too close to the starting dates for many US colleges on the semester system, and it could definitely overlap with freshman orientation at those schools.

As for making it earlier, that's a bit difficult, and then we start cutting into the middle of summer programs. Unless someone can make a good argument for why it shouldn't be Aug 7, 8, 9, that date will probably stick.

Another alternative would be to do it in late June.

 

[Hadley4000]

I think late June is a great idea. That brings a few good points.

1. Not long after graduation, for any seniors, meaning graduation money burning holes in pockets.
2. For any other students at any grade level, if they have to get a plane ticket(which can be very expensive), it gives them plenty of time to let a summer job get them money before heading off to school and buying textbooks. Which as everyone knows can be VERY pricey.

3. Plenty of time to get ready for school for their next year.
4. Won't be as hot while walking around.
5. Airline tickets will be cheaper.
6. It has more buffer between that and Worlds.
7. Just a neat month

 

[Tyson]

I think late June is a great idea. That brings a few good points.

1. Not long after graduation, for any seniors, meaning graduation money burning holes in pockets.
2. For any other students at any grade level, if they have to get a plane ticket(which can be very expensive), it gives them plenty of time to let a summer job get them money before heading off to school and buying textbooks. Which as everyone knows can be VERY pricey.

3. Plenty of time to get ready for school for their next year.
4. Won't be as hot while walking around.
5. Airline tickets will be cheaper.
6. It has more buffer between that and Worlds.
7. Just a neat month

1. Why won't the graduation money be available in August if it's available in June? Can't the money in June be set aside?
2. Won't having received paychecks throughout the summer support this idea more?
3. Can't school preparation be done in advance?
4. Weather in this area of California is consistent.
5. I don't have any data on that one.
6. As the organization team of Worlds has not made any mention of anything, I don't think we can take them into consideration. If they want to make an announcement, then that's great but until then, I do not know of any WC 2009 tournament.

 

[Bob]

End of June is terrible. Any senior in New York state will still have class on that Friday (it's the last day of school, and hence also graduation day). Most high schools in the NY-NJ-CT tri-state area end on June 26. If you argue for June 26-28, I will argue for Jul 3-5. Then you will get complaints from the people who have summer classes. Stick with August.

 

[masterofthebass]

Bob, Jul 3-5 is also a National Holiday. That doesn't work out too well

 

[Ethan Rosen]

I strongly disagree with late June. For New York State high school students, it is not possible to take a regents test on other days, and it is not possible to miss the test. If I (or other NYS students) need to take a regents test the Friday of Nationals, it would be pretty much impossible to go.

 

[Sa967St]

I think late June is a great idea

I disagree! In Canada and some places in the U.S. school goes from the beginning of September until the end of June, and summer school is in July.

the beginning of August would work out better

 

[Hadley4000]

1. Why won't the graduation money be available in August if it's available in June? Can't the money in June be set aside?
2. Won't having received paychecks throughout the summer support this idea more?
3. Can't school preparation be done in advance?
4. Weather in this area of California is consistent.
5. I don't have any data on that one.
6. As the organization team of Worlds has not made any mention of anything, I don't think we can take them into consideration. If they want to make an announcement, then that's great but until then, I do not know of any WC 2009 tournament.

1. Seniors aren't as thrifty. More likely to spend it soon.
2. In theory possibly, but it seems like raising money for textbooks would be more important for college students of any age.
3. It can, but is a lot of last minute preparation.
4. Point taken
5. I have looked at it.
6. I thought it was in the works for fall. My mistake.


It seems based on many complaints from many people, that mid/late July might works for a larger amount of people.

 

[Bryan]

It seems based on many complaints from many people, that mid/late July might works for a larger amount of people.

But people also complained about that timeframe. And the people that were satisfied with the original date may not say anything since they were fine with it.

 

[Hadley4000]

It seems based on many complaints from many people, that mid/late July might works for a larger amount of people.

But people also complained about that timeframe. And the people that were satisfied with the original date may not say anything since they were fine with it.

Well, there will ALWAYS be people complaining. But, it seems like that time frame has the most people agreeing.

I mean, both work for me, so it's not like I am trying to make it good for me. It is just my opinion that more things fit together for that date.

And like I said a few times. The last week before school starts is often hectic.

 

[waffle=ijm]

wow, I might be able to go (80%)...I'll be in the area all summer long
school is not an issue for me seeing as i don't care much about it.

 

[Tyson]

It looks like Aug 7, 8, 9 will stick. I spoke with Mitchell, and this goes for everyone who might have a potential conflict. If you're unable to make it on Friday and/or Saturday, talk to me and we'll work it out so that you can participate. Now, with that being said, I do want people to be there on Friday because there's no sense of a three day competition if no one shows up the first day. But if you have circumstances beyond your control that don't include laziness, I will do my best to make participation for this event possible.

I'm going to go work on the Schumann Piano Quintet, and then I'll probably e-mail the director to confirm those dates and do a hard booking of the auditorium. Leyan Lo will be visiting the auditorium on Tuesday, and he will be doing a layout survey for me and taking pictures.

Then, we'll get the website set up. Registration fees for this competition should be lower as our need for funding is diminished with the event being held at Stanford.

 

[Bob]

good. (10 character minimum?)

 

[Tyson]

Looking back at Aug 14, 15, 16. The director prefers those dates. I'm trying to figure out why.

 

[JBCM627]

There is still an EPGY session going on the weekend before, maybe?

 

[qinbomaster]

does nationals have to be once a year? or would it be stupid to have it more than once in different locations?

 

[Tyson]

does nationals have to be once a year? or would it be stupid to have it more than once in different locations?

That takes away from the value of 'nationals' and no one would come. If you do it only once a year, people have more motivation to make the effort to go.

Aug. 14, 15, 16 is pretty much confirmed. We decided to make the change after the parties involved felt these dates were more agreeable.

 

[pjk]

does nationals have to be once a year? or would it be stupid to have it more than once in different locations?

That takes away from the value of 'nationals' and no one would come. If you do it only once a year, people have more motivation to make the effort to go.

Aug. 14, 15, 16 is pretty much confirmed. We decided to make the change after the parties involved felt these dates were more agreeable.

Sounds good. I plan on being there. Let me know if you need any help with setting anything up.