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[Dan the Beginner]

I don't really think there's an advantage to having the layers being different sizes. If there was we'd see more demand and a flagship performance cube like this. Sizes on the other hand do play a big part in performance and preference. Do you think the total dimensional size of the puzzle should be regulated also? Even one year is a lot in the world of cubing as hardware innovation changes so rapidly, what would even be the point of making a new design if others could copy and improve your idea before you can even have a chance of releasing it to the public?

My comments are not just for this one cube, and this trivial little design change, but also for new designs in general. Can a cube have, instead of squarish pieces, pieces that don't even touch each other but are 2 mm from each other to reduce friction, or made like paddles, maybe partly metal to allow higher rotational speeds? Not sure at all if that even works, but it's just to show an extreme example. My understanding is that this is still mainly a test of individual skills and there must be up to a point restrictions on the equipment, so that most competitors are able to compete with skills and not so affected by equipment, or by differences in equipment. As for the incentive to cube makers, they can certainly release new designs any time, but I suggest it is more fair if all competitors can have more equal access to new tech or new design equipment.

 

[qwr]

I don't think differently sized layers pose any advantages. The majority of cubers will stick to their standard sizes anyway.

 

[Dan the Beginner]

Can someone explain to me why this cube costs so much? I know, it has core magnets in it and you can customise it with your choice of lube, etc. However it costs a lot more than a CH Moyu Weilong 2021 that also has core magnets.

At this price, wouldn't a GAN 11 M Duo or 11M Pro, or, for OH and smaller hands, a GAN Mini Pro make more sense?

Cubicle Custom CH Tornado V2 3x3 (Magnetic Core)

The Cubers' Home X-Man Tornado V2 isn't your standard Tornado V2. This one has corner/core magnets that give the puzzle a more uniform magnetic feel. If you're a fan of the Tornado, but want something extra, this is what you're looking for! It is more stable than many other flagships and...

www.thecubicle.com

 

[DuckubingCuber347]

Can some explain to me why this cube costs so much? I know, it has core magnets in it and you can customise it with your choice of lube, etc. However it costs a lot more than a CH Moyu Weilong 2021 that also has core magnets.

At this price, wouldn't a GAN 11 M Duo or 11M Pro, or, for OH and smaller hands, a GAN Mini Pro make more sense?

Cubicle Custom CH Tornado V2 3x3 (Magnetic Core)

The Cubers' Home X-Man Tornado V2 isn't your standard Tornado V2. This one has corner/core magnets that give the puzzle a more uniform magnetic feel. If you're a fan of the Tornado, but want something extra, this is what you're looking for! It is more stable than many other flagships and...

www.thecubicle.com

I would personally never buy a GAN 3x3 but yes, the custom cubes are ridiculously expensive.

 

[Tabe]

Of course there's no regulation against the pieces being different sizes. Just look at any 6x6 or 7x7.

 

[Tabe]

Can someone explain to me why this cube costs so much? I know, it has core magnets in it and you can customise it with your choice of lube, etc. However it costs a lot more than a CH Moyu Weilong 2021 that also has core magnets.

At this price, wouldn't a GAN 11 M Duo or 11M Pro, or, for OH and smaller hands, a GAN Mini Pro make more sense?

Cubicle Custom CH Tornado V2 3x3 (Magnetic Core)

The Cubers' Home X-Man Tornado V2 isn't your standard Tornado V2. This one has corner/core magnets that give the puzzle a more uniform magnetic feel. If you're a fan of the Tornado, but want something extra, this is what you're looking for! It is more stable than many other flagships and...

www.thecubicle.com

Because the version you listed is the Cubicle Custom one - i.e. a pro shop setup. The regular CH Tornado is $39.99, a price $5 lower than the CH WR M 2021.

 

[qwr]

Can someone explain to me why this cube costs so much? I know, it has core magnets in it and you can customise it with your choice of lube, etc. However it costs a lot more than a CH Moyu Weilong 2021 that also has core magnets.

At this price, wouldn't a GAN 11 M Duo or 11M Pro, or, for OH and smaller hands, a GAN Mini Pro make more sense?

Cubicle Custom CH Tornado V2 3x3 (Magnetic Core)

The Cubers' Home X-Man Tornado V2 isn't your standard Tornado V2. This one has corner/core magnets that give the puzzle a more uniform magnetic feel. If you're a fan of the Tornado, but want something extra, this is what you're looking for! It is more stable than many other flagships and...

www.thecubicle.com

Isn't the core unique? At least the tensioning system definiteliy is new

 

[OreKehStrah]

Maybe this is worth looking into by those who set regulations, as it could be seen as unfair to some competitors, or as counter productive for promoting cubing, if only one model, and an expensive and hence unaffordable, have an advantage in competition through a non-standard design. I understand that there needs to be progress and incentives for new designs, but it might be better if there is some control, e.g. if the new cube designer is required to submit to the regulating body an application and have such designs only approved for a year or two later, so that others can prepare, have time and chance to acquire and train up using the new cube. Besides costs, I am aware that the existing sponsored cubers and other more privileged will have an advantage, as they have access and in fact are given new models, often months before others, and already well ahead in the use of newer cubes with advantages.

Having to submit designs to a regulating body so no company gets an innovation lead over others would massively deincentivize and stifle innovation. This would effectively punish those trying to innovate and be the first to bring something new to the market. Plus there’s nothing to stop other companies from putting out their own design of something once a product releases. If a company innovates, they deserve to have a period of exclusivity on being the manufacturer of that product.

As far as the sponsors receiving cubes early, they usually fall into two categories: content creation or high level speed cuber. Content creators show off products to the masses since a lot of people don’t keep track of cube releases on their own. Top level speed cubers test cubes in comp for companies ahead of time to make sure the cube can perform at the top levels. Will a new cube give a marginal advantage? Potentially yes, but cubes are so good these days that the best cubers can use a $3 magnetic cube and still get very good times.

 

[Dan the Beginner]

It seems I was not clear in my previous post about the $54 Custom CH Tornado V2. Maybe this can show why I was puzzled. All prices (rounded) are from TheCubicle, except for the price of the GAN mini M Pro.

In comparison, the GANs almost look cheap , as those cubes have factory installed core magnets, installed in a cube designed for them, and, those core magnets can be replaced/adjusted. I do like the Tornado V2 very much, which is why I am interested, but my question is how much improvement this customised edition of it will have and how it will compare against the GANs. The Tornado V2 is known for its great value and ease of adjustment (customisation). So is the extra customisation worth the extra dollars?

 

[Kaiju_cube]

I'm sure "is it worth it" is up to the individual. My experience with the JPerm cube from SpeedCubeShop would be, "no". But I'm sure there are people that have custom set up cubes they think are fantastic and really like.

Also I think you get a warranty when you buy one that's set up (at the Cubicle)

 

[ender9994]

I'm sure "is it worth it" is up to the individual. My experience with the JPerm cube from SpeedCubeShop would be, "no". But I'm sure there are people that have custom set up cubes they think are fantastic and really like.

Also I think you get a warranty when you buy one that's set up (at the Cubicle)

The warranties for both companies can get a bit confusing. Both the cubicle custom and SCS cosmic include a "warranty". SCS supernova doesn't include a warranty, but that is just a $5 upgrade for lubrication. The same as the cubicles lubrication option which is also not covered by warranty.

As for my opinion on custom cubes in general: it has been years since I purchased one from either company that actually felt like it was set up professionally with even tensions and proper lube. I probably won't be buying one again

 

[Tabe]

It seems I was not clear in my previous post about the $54 Custom CH Tornado V2. Maybe this can show why I was puzzled. All prices (rounded) are from TheCubicle, except for the price of the GAN mini M Pro.
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In comparison, the GANs almost look cheap , as those cubes have factory installed core magnets, installed in a cube designed for them, and, those core magnets can be replaced/adjusted. I do like the Tornado V2 very much, which is why I am interested, but my question is how much improvement this customised edition of it will have and how it will compare against the GANs. The Tornado V2 is known for its great value and ease of adjustment (customisation). So is the extra customisation worth the extra dollars?

I still don't really understand your confusion. The CH Moyu Weilong 2021 is most comparable to the Gan 11 M Pro - and is $20 cheaper, a difference of almost 30%. The CH Tornado is $25 cheaper than the Gan 11 M Pro, almost 40%. The 11 M Duo doesn't have magnetic adjustments like the Tornado or WR M - and is still more expensive than the CH counterparts.

 

[Kaiju_cube]

Update on the perma-wet JPerm cube I got at SCS (if anyone is interested):

on the advice of some people here I contacted SCS and let them know what was happening and showed them the pic I posted. They say it's not normal and want to make it right by either replacing the cube or offering store credit in the amount I paid for it. (my choice).

I didn't expect them to actually do anything so I have to say I'm impressed with their customer service support and that they really want to make it right.

Thanks SCS, I'm impressed with your service and will order more from you in the future.

 

[qwr]

I'm sure "is it worth it" is up to the individual. My experience with the JPerm cube from SpeedCubeShop would be, "no". But I'm sure there are people that have custom set up cubes they think are fantastic and really like.

Also I think you get a warranty when you buy one that's set up (at the Cubicle)

My friend hates bothering to setup speedcubes and he has gotten very good cubes with Angstrom from TC and Supernova from SCS. So it is worth it for him.

 

[SH03L4C3]

My friend hates bothering to setup speedcubes and he has gotten very good cubes with Angstrom from TC and Supernova from SCS. So it is worth it for him.

I like disassembling and setting up my cubes and mechanical keyboards because its just so relaxing and its the best thing to do when you have nothing to do.

 

[Kaiju_cube]

I'd rather play guitar. I'll drop some lube drops in a cube but i don't like tensioning springs and taking them apart if i don't have to.

 

[Dan the Beginner]

I still don't really understand your confusion. The CH Moyu Weilong 2021 is most comparable to the Gan 11 M Pro - and is $20 cheaper, a difference of almost 30%. The CH Tornado is $25 cheaper than the Gan 11 M Pro, almost 40%. The 11 M Duo doesn't have magnetic adjustments like the Tornado or WR M - and is still more expensive than the CH counterparts.

Please read my last post again. My query was specifically about the price of the Custom CH Tornado V2; not about the other CH cubes you mentioned. The other cubes listed in my previous post were just to show the relative pricing/value and the range. This Custom CH Tornado V2 at $54 is $11 cheaper than the $65 Gan 11 M Pro, or 17% cheaper. The normal Tornado V2 is known for its great value ($25), has after the transformations a price that is more than doubled, or increased 116%. The original Tornado V2 is also known for an issue in reverse corner cutting. Has that been fixed and it is now "comparable" to the Gan 11 M Pro in performance? I have not really heard anything about that. CubeHead in his video said the CH treatment made a slight difference, and what I understand from everything said is that the problem is not completely fixed and I tend to think that it is still not reverse corner cutting like a Gan 11 M Pro. I do not own any Gan but the 11 M Pro has been reviewed extensively, it is lighter and is very highly rated for performance. This Custom CH Tornado V2 is more expensive than the $47 Gan 11 M Duo by $7, which is less adjustable but otherwise exactly the same as the 11 M Pro and hence a good alternative for someone spending around $50 on a cube. These Gan cubes are 13g and 16g lighter respectively, compared to the Custom CH Tornado V2. Their core magnets and adjustments were designed to work together, not after-thoughts, and that should give more assurance for many things considering longer term issues like reliabily, support or replacement availability.

 

[Dan the Beginner]

Update on the perma-wet JPerm cube I got at SCS (if anyone is interested):

on the advice of some people here I contacted SCS and let them know what was happening and showed them the pic I posted. They say it's not normal and want to make it right by either replacing the cube or offering store credit in the amount I paid for it. (my choice).

I didn't expect them to actually do anything so I have to say I'm impressed with their customer service support and that they really want to make it right.

Thanks SCS.

That's really good advice, to contact SCS. User forums are best for sharing info, feedback and experiences, product reviews by actual buyers, tips and advice. In a world full of marketing hype, user forums provide an invaluable service IMO.

 

[Kaiju_cube]

User forums are best for sharing info, feedback and experiences, product reviews by actual buyers, tips and advice. In a world full of marketing hype, user forums provide an invaluable service IMO.

that is exactly why I joined here and TwistyPuzzles.

 

[CubeRed]

If its not WCA legal, I dont see much potential

I guess so.