Thoughts on "Christian Cuber" or "Atheist Cuber" signatures

[ChrisBird]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

You actually believe this stuff?

 

[EnterPseudonym]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

But with God being omniscient "he" knew that Satan would trick Eve, and allowed us to sin.

 

[Anonymous]

Can we refer to God as it from now on without anyone getting offended?

 

[rubiksczar]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

1.What happened to the souls of the people who happened to die before Jesus died on the cross?
2. How is it our choice to believe or not believe something?

1. They went to Hell, but after Jesus died He spent 3 days in Hell giving the people that didn't get a chance to receive Him a chance to receive Him.

2. Everyone has a choice it's part of human nature. God made us with the ability to choose because He didn't want talking robots waiting on His hands and feet, He wanted them to love Him with their own ability.

EDIT:sorry that I didn't receive your message, Anonymous.

 

[hawkmp4]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

1.What happened to the souls of the people who happened to die before Jesus died on the cross?
2. How is it our choice to believe or not believe something?

1. They went to Hell, but after Jesus died He spent 3 days in Hell giving the people that didn't get a chance to receive Him a chance to receive Him.

2. Everyone has a choice it's part of human nature. God made us with the ability to choose because He didn't want talking robots waiting on His hands and feet, He wanted them to love Him with their own ability.

EDIT:sorry that I didn't receive your message, Anonymous.

References?

 

[rubiksczar]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

But with God being omniscient "he" knew that Satan would trick Eve, and allowed us to sin.

Yes, and He planned out the escape plan (Jesus) to die on the cross for our sins and Jesus will come back to complete what He started and restore what was lost.

 

[hawkmp4]

That still means that God deliberately created evil.

 

[Anonymous]

Which message?

Also (I'm repeating myself, but I want to be clearer), I have a problem with the idea that we can choose whether or not we believe in God.

Belief in any concept is ultimately out of our control. I don't care how faithful you are, I don't care how hard you try, you cannot convince yourself, nor can you choose to have faith in the idea, that 1 + 1 = 3. You just can't.

I'm not implying that you don't believe in God, nor am I implying that I think that I should be spared of Hell because it's not my fault that I'm an atheist. I'm saying that this makes the very idea of Hell inherently flawed, and that God cannot exist the way It's portrayed in the Bible if It's knowingly operating Hell the way Christians claim.

 

[EnterPseudonym]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

But with God being omniscient "he" knew that Satan would trick Eve, and allowed us to sin.

Yes, and He planned out the escape plan (Jesus) to die on the cross for our sins and Jesus will come back to complete what He started and restore what was lost.

And you're saying that "He" planned to create another form of himself to sacrifice "himself" to "himself" which was "his" plan, and "he" succeeded, but "he's" coming back to finish what has been completed and restore what was lost(Eden)? And then this starts back around at the point "If "he's" omniscient he knew this would happen so why didn't he do it right the first time."

 

[rubiksczar]

Which message?

Also (I'm repeating myself, but I want to be clearer), I have a problem with the idea that we can choose whether or not we believe in God.

Belief in any concept is ultimately out of our control. I don't care how faithful you are, I don't care how hard you try, you cannot convince yourself, nor can you choose to have faith in the idea, that 1 + 1 = 3. You just can't.

I'm not implying that you don't believe in God, nor am I implying that I think that I should be spared of Hell because it's not my fault that I'm an atheist. I'm saying that this makes the very idea of Hell inherently flawed, and that God cannot exist the way It's portrayed in the Bible if It's knowingly operating Hell the way Christians claim.

I'm just saying that man has a free choice. whether to believe in God or not is all up to you.

 

[rubiksczar]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

But with God being omniscient "he" knew that Satan would trick Eve, and allowed us to sin.

Yes, and He planned out the escape plan (Jesus) to die on the cross for our sins and Jesus will come back to complete what He started and restore what was lost.

And you're saying that "He" planned to create another form of himself to sacrifice "himself" to "himself" which was "his" plan, and "he" succeeded, but "he's" coming back to finish what has been completed and restore what was lost(Eden)? And then this starts back around at the point "If "he's" omniscient he knew this would happen so why didn't he do it right the first time."

Because He wanted man to have a free choice.

 

[StachuK1992]

Belief in any concept is ultimately out of our control. I don't care how faithful you are, I don't care how hard you try, you cannot convince yourself, nor can you choose to have faith in the idea, that 1 + 1 = 3. You just can't.

Inb4 L. Ron Hubbard.

 

[Anonymous]

Which message?

Also (I'm repeating myself, but I want to be clearer), I have a problem with the idea that we can choose whether or not we believe in God.

Belief in any concept is ultimately out of our control. I don't care how faithful you are, I don't care how hard you try, you cannot convince yourself, nor can you choose to have faith in the idea, that 1 + 1 = 3. You just can't.

I'm not implying that you don't believe in God, nor am I implying that I think that I should be spared of Hell because it's not my fault that I'm an atheist. I'm saying that this makes the very idea of Hell inherently flawed, and that God cannot exist the way It's portrayed in the Bible if It's knowingly operating Hell the way Christians claim.

I'm just saying that man has a free choice. whether to believe in God or not is all up to you.

But you didn't really answer my argument, which is that it's not up to us whether or not to believe in God.

 

[rubiksczar]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

But with God being omniscient "he" knew that Satan would trick Eve, and allowed us to sin.

Yes, and He planned out the escape plan (Jesus) to die on the cross for our sins and Jesus will come back to complete what He started and restore what was lost.

And you're saying that "He" planned to create another form of himself to sacrifice "himself" to "himself" which was "his" plan, and "he" succeeded, but "he's" coming back to finish what has been completed and restore what was lost(Eden)? And then this starts back around at the point "If "he's" omniscient he knew this would happen so why didn't he do it right the first time."

Jesus wasn't created (John chapter 1)

 

[rubiksczar]

Which message?

Also (I'm repeating myself, but I want to be clearer), I have a problem with the idea that we can choose whether or not we believe in God.

Belief in any concept is ultimately out of our control. I don't care how faithful you are, I don't care how hard you try, you cannot convince yourself, nor can you choose to have faith in the idea, that 1 + 1 = 3. You just can't.

I'm not implying that you don't believe in God, nor am I implying that I think that I should be spared of Hell because it's not my fault that I'm an atheist. I'm saying that this makes the very idea of Hell inherently flawed, and that God cannot exist the way It's portrayed in the Bible if It's knowingly operating Hell the way Christians claim.

I'm just saying that man has a free choice. whether to believe in God or not is all up to you.

But you didn't really answer my argument, which is that it's not up to us whether or not to believe in God.

Let me make it clear to you: You have a free choice whether or not to believe what I'm saying to you, you have a free choice whether or not to believe the Bible, and you have a free choice whether or not to believe in God.
and if that's not what you're asking than I'll tell you that He had a free choice whether or not to make us, to make us in Our (refereing to the trinity) image, or to make us with a free choice.

 

[EnterPseudonym]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

But with God being omniscient "he" knew that Satan would trick Eve, and allowed us to sin.

Yes, and He planned out the escape plan (Jesus) to die on the cross for our sins and Jesus will come back to complete what He started and restore what was lost.

And you're saying that "He" planned to create another form of himself to sacrifice "himself" to "himself" which was "his" plan, and "he" succeeded, but "he's" coming back to finish what has been completed and restore what was lost(Eden)? And then this starts back around at the point "If "he's" omniscient he knew this would happen so why didn't he do it right the first time."

Jesus wasn't created (John chapter 1)

conception != creating life. Thats not the way i see it.

anyway if God removes sin "he" is removing the freedom he created.

 

[hawkmp4]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

But with God being omniscient "he" knew that Satan would trick Eve, and allowed us to sin.

Yes, and He planned out the escape plan (Jesus) to die on the cross for our sins and Jesus will come back to complete what He started and restore what was lost.

And you're saying that "He" planned to create another form of himself to sacrifice "himself" to "himself" which was "his" plan, and "he" succeeded, but "he's" coming back to finish what has been completed and restore what was lost(Eden)? And then this starts back around at the point "If "he's" omniscient he knew this would happen so why didn't he do it right the first time."

Jesus wasn't created (John chapter 1)

conception != creating life. Thats not the way i see it.

anyway if God removes sin "he" is removing the freedom he created.

So if I only have two morally good options, I don't have free choice? I have to have the option to do something evil for my choice to be considered free?

 

[Weston]

If God was omnipotent, then he would be able to remove sin and keep freedom.

Oh btw, you dont have to press "quote" for
Every
Single
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[rubiksczar]

I didn't mean this thread specifically when I meant bitterness in conversation.

But if a lot of people take up an attitude of ignoring you if they don't like your religion, on any topic, then I can see bitterness.

edd5190: True, most things in the Old Testament still apply. But everything about animal sacrifices for atonement of sins are no more because Jesus came and paid the price for the sins of the world. John 3:16
So, technically you are right. I sit corrected.

If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, why didn't he get it right the first time?

He did (Genesis chapter 1) but because God gave man a free choice, man was free to sin, but with sin comes consequences (chapter 2 and 3)
Satan stole our birth right as God's child until Jesus died on the cross for our sins and taking back our birth right as God's children, except it's our choice whether or not to receive Him as our Father.

But with God being omniscient "he" knew that Satan would trick Eve, and allowed us to sin.

Yes, and He planned out the escape plan (Jesus) to die on the cross for our sins and Jesus will come back to complete what He started and restore what was lost.

And you're saying that "He" planned to create another form of himself to sacrifice "himself" to "himself" which was "his" plan, and "he" succeeded, but "he's" coming back to finish what has been completed and restore what was lost(Eden)? And then this starts back around at the point "If "he's" omniscient he knew this would happen so why didn't he do it right the first time."

Jesus wasn't created (John chapter 1)

conception != creating life. Thats not the way i see it.

anyway if God removes sin "he" is removing the freedom he created.

Not exactly, God's not litterally going to uncreate freedom. When Jesus died He didn't kill sin, we still have a free choice, in Revelations Jesus comes back to destroy the Devil who is sin when He does that we will either go to eternal damnation in fire or live with Christ in the New Jeruselem.

 

[hawkmp4]

If God was omnipotent, then he would be able to remove sin and keep freedom.

Oh btw, you dont have to press reply for
Every
Single
Post

We'll assume God is omnipotent.
Can he make a square triangle?

There are things even an omnipotent being can't do.
Logically impossible things.

That being said, I agree with you, free will doesn't necessitate evil.