Thoughts on "Christian Cuber" or "Atheist Cuber" signatures

[ChrisBird]

just don't freaking pay attention to it. Grow up and suck it up and deal with it Ethan.

Random pointless and useless insulting in a post where you tell someone to grow up.

Practice what you preach.

I didn't insult him. I just told him grow up and forget about it. if someone want's say "atheist cuber" in THEIR OWN sig. so be it. they can do what they want they aren't trying to bug anyone. just expressing themselves

And telling him to "grow up" isn't insulting.

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[hawkmp4]

I agree with the OP.
While it doesn't offend me to see the sigs, I just don't think this is place for that. They can only do harm, not good.

That being said, all and all, this is a small issue. I don't think it's necessary to make an official rule about it.
Whatever consensus is made on this should just be a community rule that people follow out of respect for our decision, not out of fear of a ban.

How are they going to do harm? Like Waffle said, you can always turn off signatures completely if it bothers you that much, which it really shouldn't. They aren't trying to put it out there to convert other people to their belief, they are just identifying themselves. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. This is coming from a complete atheist, and it doesn't bother me even the slightest bit to see "Christian Cuber" in someone's signature..

What I meant by that argument is, no good is going to come from having those signatures. Then only outcomes that there could possibly be are bad ones.
This thread, being one of them. If there were no signatures, we wouldn't have this thread, now would we? And many of you are irritated with the thread...

And just because you, as an atheist, don't mind seeing "Christian Cuber," that doesn't mean all atheists won't mind seeing it. Or that all Christians won't mind seeing it.

Like I said before, this isn't about offense- for me at least- I just think there's no need to deliberately introduce an extremely divisive topic to this site that has absolutely no relevance to cubing.

1. This is terrible logic. You could say "no good" is going to come from cubing. Therefore the only outcomes that there could possibly be are bad ones. Therefore cubing is bad. The logic is just poor. You can claim cubing causes intellectual stimulation, stress relief, or other intangible benefits, but I said earlier that I like seeing faith in sigs, and I'm sure many people would say pride in their faith or religion is also an intangible benefit. Furthermore, this logic would say that anything neutral on a good/bad scale is inherently bad for its lack of being good. I just think the logic is really bad.

2. Again, if people have a problem seeing "Christian cuber" in a sig on a forum, they don't belong on the internet.

3. There are a lot of sigs that don't have to do with cubing, but instead with social things. A forum that has no personality or no social stuff or no self description would be a much duller community. Also, again, poor logic, as I don't believe the location of people is very cubing related. You can make a claim it is, but it'd be strung out enough that one could make an equally strong claim that religion is related to cubing.

You're not reading.
1. You could SAY no good could come from cubing, but we all know that's not true. So I don't know what you're trying to show with that argument. In fact, I don't see one single coherent argument in the block of text you labelled '1.' It's all over the place.

I do rescind the statement of no good coming from the sigs. Some people like it. There's the good that comes from it.

2. That kind of attitude is part of why I don't want to see the Christian Cuber sigs. My point, AGAIN, is not that I am offended with the text itself, it's that I don't think that this is the appropriate place for such things.

3. It's not just that it's not related to cubing- it's that it's an extremely divisive issue that's unrelated. That is, it's an issue that ALWAYS spawns controversy and there's no relevance to the cubing.

Would we allow people to put 'pro-life cuber' and 'pro-choice cuber' in their signatures? "Pro/anti-death penalty cuber?"

 

[Chapuunka]

it's an issue that ALWAYS spawns controversy

I don't think I've seen a problem with it up until this thread. Unless you're talking about Christian beliefs themselves. That is always going to cause controversy, which I think actually shows something. Why would people get into such large arguments unless it's something worth getting upset about?

EDIT: Once again, I don't want to get into a debate about my beliefs. It's just not going to work in an Internet setting like this.

 

[waffle=ijm]

should be just ban signatures and stop complaining?

 

[CharlesOBlack]

Is it fair if I say "Charles Cuber"?

 

[hawkmp4]

it's an issue that ALWAYS spawns controversy

I don't think I've seen a problem with it up until this thread. Unless you're talking about Christian beliefs themselves. That is always going to cause controversy, which I think actually shows something. Why would people get into such large arguments unless it's something worth getting upset about?

EDIT: Once again, I don't want to get into a debate about my beliefs. It's just not going to work in an Internet setting like this.

Just because you haven't seen a problem doesn't mean one doesn't exist- several people have expressed that they don't like that in sigs.

In regards to your edit: There's a simple resolution to that- if you were to take the Christian Cuber out of your sig, then you wouldn't have any trouble with people debating your beliefs.

 

[Dene]

@Dene...Do you seriously have to make tons of enemies by over inflating things to something they're not? Can't you just let it be?

Yes. Or no. Not quite sure how to answer that.

 

[xXzaKerXx]

I personally couldn't care less what people put in their signatures, but it's a sensitive issue if somebody said something wrong and starts a flame war. I mean, everyone in this forum is united by cubing, and we don't need to start dividing into small groups that define our religion. Sure everyone is free to believe in whatever they want, but it's just better to keep it to yourself, such as in a place with people with different nationalities.

 

[Mitch15]

I agree with the OP.
While it doesn't offend me to see the sigs, I just don't think this is place for that. They can only do harm, not good.

That being said, all and all, this is a small issue. I don't think it's necessary to make an official rule about it.
Whatever consensus is made on this should just be a community rule that people follow out of respect for our decision, not out of fear of a ban.

How are they going to do harm? Like Waffle said, you can always turn off signatures completely if it bothers you that much, which it really shouldn't. They aren't trying to put it out there to convert other people to their belief, they are just identifying themselves. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. This is coming from a complete atheist, and it doesn't bother me even the slightest bit to see "Christian Cuber" in someone's signature..

What I meant by that argument is, no good is going to come from having those signatures. Then only outcomes that there could possibly be are bad ones.
This thread, being one of them. If there were no signatures, we wouldn't have this thread, now would we? And many of you are irritated with the thread...

And just because you, as an atheist, don't mind seeing "Christian Cuber," that doesn't mean all atheists won't mind seeing it. Or that all Christians won't mind seeing it.

Like I said before, this isn't about offense- for me at least- I just think there's no need to deliberately introduce an extremely divisive topic to this site that has absolutely no relevance to cubing.

1. This is terrible logic. You could say "no good" is going to come from cubing. Therefore the only outcomes that there could possibly be are bad ones. Therefore cubing is bad. The logic is just poor. You can claim cubing causes intellectual stimulation, stress relief, or other intangible benefits, but I said earlier that I like seeing faith in sigs, and I'm sure many people would say pride in their faith or religion is also an intangible benefit. Furthermore, this logic would say that anything neutral on a good/bad scale is inherently bad for its lack of being good. I just think the logic is really bad.

2. Again, if people have a problem seeing "Christian cuber" in a sig on a forum, they don't belong on the internet.

3. There are a lot of sigs that don't have to do with cubing, but instead with social things. A forum that has no personality or no social stuff or no self description would be a much duller community. Also, again, poor logic, as I don't believe the location of people is very cubing related. You can make a claim it is, but it'd be strung out enough that one could make an equally strong claim that religion is related to cubing.

You're not reading.
1. You could SAY no good could come from cubing, but we all know that's not true. So I don't know what you're trying to show with that argument. In fact, I don't see one single coherent argument in the block of text you labelled '1.' It's all over the place.

I do rescind the statement of no good coming from the sigs. Some people like it. There's the good that comes from it.

2. That kind of attitude is part of why I don't want to see the Christian Cuber sigs. My point, AGAIN, is not that I am offended with the text itself, it's that I don't think that this is the appropriate place for such things.

3. It's not just that it's not related to cubing- it's that it's an extremely divisive issue that's unrelated. That is, it's an issue that ALWAYS spawns controversy and there's no relevance to the cubing.

Would we allow people to put 'pro-life cuber' and 'pro-choice cuber' in their signatures? "Pro/anti-death penalty cuber?"

1. Sorry for the incoherence. The statement I was trying to make is that whether or not something brings about good does not dictate whether or not it brings around bad. To say what does not produce good must be bad is flawed reasoning.

2. That wasn't attitude; that's fact. If somebody is angered or has a problem merely seeing a signature with "Christian Cuber" in it I'll argue all day that they should avoid the internet at all costs. Indeed, avoid all people and interaction at all costs they must if they wish to keep from getting severely agitated. In other words, anyone who can't handle a non-provocative mere description of somebody else in their signature is too sensitive for anybody online to censor for. If they are that paranoid against what they may see, they should leave the internet, not look at posters, not listen to anything anyone says, and indeed isolate themselves from the world altogether. The world is full of people with opinions that differ from those of others.

3. While I agree that the topic of religion often spawns controversy and threads about it should be avoided (though one can make the argument it would be appropriate in off topic sections since everybody has the ability not to enter the thread if they so wish), a signature that references religion should not spawn controversy. If it does spawn controversy, I would argue that it is the person that comments on the signature, not the person who wrote the signature, that is spawning the controversy (much like the OP of this thread, which I think is unnecessary and merely provoking controversy).
To answer your question, I would have absolutely no problem if people put pro-life cuber in their signature, nor any of the other things you listed. I wouldn't have a problem with it if somebody was trying to convert people in their signature. First of all, I can turn sigs off if they bother me that much, which they won't. Second, I can not read a signature or stop reading one I've started at any time. Third, I might find someone's sig annoying or unnecessary, but even if that is the case I would not demand they change it. On a forum, there is very little self-expression whatsoever. I say, barring things like profanity, defamation, vulgarity, racism, etc. let people put whatever they want in their signatures. Anybody who has a problem can turn them off.

 

[waffle=ijm]

yay flame war!

 

[Cyrus C.]

Watch out Waffle! You might get burnt!

 

[Edward]

Watch out Waffle! You might get burnt!

The tears will keep him cool.

 

[4Chan]

 

[Mitch15]

yay flame war!

I really feel like if we were talking in person, this would be a discussion and not a yelling match. I don't think anyone is angry or flaming at the moment. I would hope hawkmp4 thinks the same. I'm all for a bit of debate. I'm in no way flaming.

 

[waffle=ijm]

Watch out Waffle! You might get burnt!

I effing live in a waffle iron in waffletopia, I'm not getting burnt anytime soon

 

[TheCubeMaster5000]

Wait wait. You can turn sigs OFF?!?! Oh joy!!!

 

[Mitch15]

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[BigGreen]

FLAME WAR BEGUN!

 

[Chapuunka]

it's an issue that ALWAYS spawns controversy

I don't think I've seen a problem with it up until this thread. Unless you're talking about Christian beliefs themselves. That is always going to cause controversy, which I think actually shows something. Why would people get into such large arguments unless it's something worth getting upset about?

EDIT: Once again, I don't want to get into a debate about my beliefs. It's just not going to work in an Internet setting like this.

Just because you haven't seen a problem doesn't mean one doesn't exist- several people have expressed that they don't like that in sigs.

In regards to your edit: There's a simple resolution to that- if you were to take the Christian Cuber out of your sig, then you wouldn't have any trouble with people debating your beliefs.

Like I said, I hadn't seen one. I didn't say it wasn't there, I never solidly claimed anything.

And I should be more specific--I don't want to debate my beliefs a thread, like has been done before. I'm more than happy to talk to someone via PM or at a contest or something about my beliefs. So if you have some great issue with Christianity or just some questions, fire away. But a big debate that would likely turn into a flame war just isn't something I want to get in to.

 

[nlCuber22]

yay i was right woo