The Roux "Example Solve" Game!

[AKOM]

How would you do this with misoriented centers, i don't get it too:
My solution: U M' U' M U' M' U M U2 M' U' M2 U2
Scramble: U2 M2 U M U2 M' U' M U M' U M U'

 

[Renslay]

How would you do this with misoriented centers, i don't get it too:
My solution: U M' U' M U' M' U M U2 M' U' M2 U2
Scramble: U2 M2 U M U2 M' U' M U M' U M U'

With misoriented centers, all the upside edges are misoriented, and the downsides are correctly oriented. So I would do (speedsolve):
M' U2 M' U2 M' U M // EO
U' M U2 M' U // UL-UR
M' U2 M U2 M' // M-perm

or:
U M' U2 M' U2 M' U M // EO
U2 M2 U' // UL-UR
M' U2 M2 U2 // M-perm

or:
U M U2 M' U2 M U' M' // EO
U2 M2 U // UL-UR
M' // M-perm

The trick with misoriented centers is the EO, the rest is pretty straightforward.
You can see how to define EO with misoriented centers here:
http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Step_4.html
http://wafflelikescubes.webs.com/rouxmethod.htm#591530993

 

[AKOM]

With misoriented centers, all the upside edges are misoriented, and the downsides are correctly oriented. So I would do (speedsolve):
M' U2 M' U2 M' U M // EO
U' M U2 M' U // UL-UR
M' U2 M U2 M' // M-perm

or:
U M' U2 M' U2 M' U M // EO
U2 M2 U' // UL-UR
M' U2 M2 U2 // M-perm

or:
U M U2 M' U2 M U' M' // EO
U2 M2 U // UL-UR
M' // M-perm

The trick with misoriented centers is the EO, the rest is pretty straightforward.
You can see how to define EO with misoriented centers here:
http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Step_4.html
http://wafflelikescubes.webs.com/rouxmethod.htm#591530993

Ah OK thank you, i'll parctise that (for FMC).
Too bad that it is only one move shorter.

 

[Renslay]

Ah OK thank you, i'll parctise that (for FMC).
Too bad that it is only one move shorter.

Yeah, dealing with misoriented centers is just another way to solve LSE. Sometimes it is longer, sometimes it is shorter. Pros can recognise when it provides a really short solution and take it as an advantage. Sometimes I use it too in speedsolves, but only when it is "trivial".

For example:
Scramble: M U2 M U2 M U M2 U' M U

In here, a normal solve would be something like this:
U' M U M' // EO
U' M2 U M2 U // UL-UR
M' U2 M' // M-perm

Instead, I use this:
U' M' // EO with misoriented centers
U M2 U' // UL-UR
M' U2 M' U2 M' // M-perm

 

[AKOM]

Yeah, dealing with misoriented centers is just another way to solve LSE. Sometimes it is longer, sometimes it is shorter. Pros can recognise when it provides a really short solution and take it as an advantage. Sometimes I use it too in speedsolves, but only when it is "trivial".

I want to get down to 30STM/35HTM in FMC, at the moment it takes me 20 minutes to get a 35STM/40HTM solution, therefore it would be helpful to save one or two moves in LSE.

 

[pewpewrawr]

I have no problem using misoriented centers in a speed solve, the trouble comes when I'm trying to choose between oriented or misoriented. You have to pretty much detect 2 eo cases at once, such a pain. :v

 

[waffle=ijm]

http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Step_4.html -> Optimization is how I accidentally learned how to do misoriented centers.

EDIT - do effectively

 

[GuRoux]

I have no problem using misoriented centers in a speed solve, the trouble comes when I'm trying to choose between oriented or misoriented. You have to pretty much detect 2 eo cases at once, such a pain. :v

i think detecting the eo case in misorientated case is much harder. some of the times you have to look at the bottom in order to know.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Something is wrong there.

Fixed. The D' should just be a D.

 

[pewpewrawr]

i think detecting the eo case in misorientated case is much harder. some of the times you have to look at the bottom in order to know.

I try to get a full look at the m-slice while I'm doing the cmll, I don't know how effective that is but it seems to work ok.

 

[Renslay]

Fixed. The D' should just be a D.

Scramble:
U' F2 L2 F2 R2 D' R2 U2 L2 F' U' L' F D' B2 D' F2 R2 B2
y2 x' L2 D2 x U r' D2 U R D [8/8]
U R U M2 U R M U M' U' r [11/19]
R U2 R' U' R U' R2 U2 R U R' U R [13/32]
M2 U' M2 U2 M' U2 M [7/39]

Really interesting solve for me. What do you guys think?

Strange FB. With the same colors I would build the F2B as:
D' R M D M' F (6)
U R' U M U R2 U2 r U M2 U' R (12)
or:
D' R M D M' F (6)
r' M U' r' U R' U' M U r' R' U r (13)

But otherwise it's a nice solution. I like your lucky LSE.

 

[cowabunga]

U' F2 L2 F2 R2 D' R2 U2 L2 F' U' L' F D' B2 D' F2 R2 B2


z2
U2 L2 B2 F2 U2 F2
M U M2 U' M' U' r U' R U2 r'
U R U2 R' U2 R' F R F'
M U' M U M2 U' M U2 M' U' R2
37STM

 

[Masu1]

U' F2 L2 F2 R2 D' R2 U2 L2 F' U' L' F D' B2 D' F2 R2 B2

y2 z (blue f / red u)

Lw' E2 F E M F y2 [6]
U M2 U R2 U2 Rw U R2 Rw U R' U' Rw U Rw' [15/21]
U' R' F2 R F' U2 R U' L' B' U x' [11/32]
M U M2 M' U M' U2 M' U M U M' U2 M' U x' U2 M U2 M' [19/51]

How to make shorter lse in my solve? Sorry, im noob^2, just learning

 

[Renslay]

U' F2 L2 F2 R2 D' R2 U2 L2 F' U' L' F D' B2 D' F2 R2 B2


z2
U2 L2 B2 F2 U2 F2
M U M2 U' M' U' r U' R U2 r'
U R U2 R' U2 R' F R F'
M U' M U M2 U' M U2 M' U' R2
37STM

I double-turns-only FB. Interesting.
(Also, half of the SB is Mooing... Even more intersting.) :rolleyes:

 

[cowabunga]

I double-turns-only FB. Interesting.
(Also, half of the SB is Mooing... Even more intersting.) :rolleyes:

It is obviously not a speedsolve but there is no reason to be mean.

 

[AKOM]

It is obviously not a speedsolve but there is no reason to be mean.

Why is he mean?

 

[pewpewrawr]

I thought it was funny. Lol mooing xD.

 

[Renslay]

It is obviously not a speedsolve but there is no reason to be mean.

Uhm... I think you misunderstood me. That is far from mean. Quite the opposite, I was happy about that solution, I found it interesting and amusing. I even used a smiley.

EDIT: okay, maybe it's because that rolleye smiley... I thought it smiles too and it is a happy face. (Seriously, if that is a sarcastic face, why does it smile?)

 

[Renslay]

U' F2 L2 F2 R2 D' R2 U2 L2 F' U' L' F D' B2 D' F2 R2 B2

y2 z (blue f / red u)

Lw' E2 F E M F y2 [6]
U M2 U R2 U2 Rw U R2 Rw U R' U' Rw U Rw' [15/21]
U' R' F2 R F' U2 R U' L' B' U x' [11/32]
M U M2 M' U M' U2 M' U M U M' U2 M' U x' U2 M U2 M' [19/51]

How to make shorter lse in my solve? Sorry, im noob^2, just learning

As a speedsolve, I would use:
M' U2 M' U M' U M U M' / U' M U2 M' U' / M U2 M U2
Which is also 19 moves... So, it is not bad at all.
Merge that M2 M' into an M, and also use M U2 M U2 M2, or M' Uw2 M' Uw2 instead that x' U2 M U2 M'.

If you are interested in a much shorter solution, I recommend you using misoriented centers (because then you already have 3 misoriented edges on top and one on the bottom, which is the most comfortable EO case):
U2 M U M // EO
U M U2 M' U // UL-UR
M2 U2 M' // M-perm

12 moves.

 

[cowabunga]

Uhm... I think you misunderstood me. That is far from mean. Quite the opposite, I was happy about that solution, I found it interesting and amusing. I even used a smiley.

EDIT: okay, maybe it's because that rolleye smiley... I thought it smiles too and it is a happy face. (Seriously, if that is a sarcastic face, why does it smile?)

I misunderstood the stupid smiley
I also thought it was an amusing solution but maybe not the fastest to execute.