The cubing argument thread

[ruffleduck]

Even if they are as consistent as you say, you do have to slow down a bit to do the move. Also it leaves your hand in a weird position to do the R2 afterwards, making your hand having to readjust a bit.

Despite this, it's faster.

Git gud

 

[the dnf master]

Since every thread turns into war, I'm bumping this.

 

[Dan the Beginner]

Speed is not everything.

To the common spectator, 99% of people in the general public, I think it looks just as amazing whether a cube is solved in 3.47 seconds or in 5.2 seconds, or 7 seconds (which is >3.47 x 2). Are you splitting hair here?

{ducking for cover}

 

[BenChristman1]

Speed is not everything.

To the common spectator, 99% of people in the general public, I think it looks just as amazing whether a cube is solved in 3.47 seconds or in 5.2 seconds, or 7 seconds (which is >3.47 x 2). Are you splitting hair here?

{ducking for cover}

I agree. If a person gives somebody a cube to solve and they solve it within a minute, it will be pretty impressive. They will look away expecting it to take at least 4-5 minutes, but then they look back and are super impressed.

But, one minute is nothing for cubers, so if somebody wants to impress a cuber, they would have to become much faster.

This also got me thinking about a sub-1:00 solver walking up to somebody and showing them that they can solve a cube, but then the person they showed being sub-10 and can solve it way faster. That would be kind of embarrassing, lol

 

[Dan the Beginner]

I would like to think that it's the journey and not necessarily the height one can achieve, or how fast one can get to the top. As long as I am improving, I am happy. I stop to smell the flowers and take side track when there is a nice view, etc. And now, I have taken the Roux path to see how it's like out there.

 

[abunickabhi]

I would like to think that it's the journey and not necessarily the height one can achieve, or how fast one can get to the top. As long as I am improving, I am happy. I stop to smell the flowers and take side track when there is a nice view, etc. And now, I have taken the Roux path to see how's out there.

Yeah I fully agree. The journey is very important and not the results and the record. Not everyone can compete at the highest level and its important to enjoy the journey.

 

[BenChristman1]

that makes no sense. if you want to elaborate, go to argument thread, I'm not discussing this here

It can’t be an “official thread” unless it’s created by the organizer of the competition (Phillip Lewicki). So, unless you’re Phillip in disguise, it’s not official. The definition of official (from dictionary.com , in case you’re wondering) is “of an activity or event intended for the notice of the public and performed or held on behalf of officials or an organization,” which basically means that you would have to be a part of the Monkey League organization for it to be official.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

It can’t be an “official thread” unless it’s created by the organizer of the competition (Phillip Lewicki). So, unless you’re Phillip in disguise, it’s not official. The definition of official (from dictionary.com , in case you’re wondering) is “of an activity or event intended for the notice of the public and performed or held on behalf of officials or an organization,” which basically means that you would have to be a part of the Monkey League organization for it to be official.

for me official means a central thread about the subject
but in that case it may be renamed to mega thread
what do you think?

 

[BenChristman1]

for me official means a central thread about the subject
but in that case it may be renamed to mega thread
what do you think?

I don’t really care what it’s named, I just figured that I would point out that it’s not official. You can change it to whatever you want.

 

[the dnf master]

Whatever, it was renamed

 

[LukasCubes]

4CF has a little bit of potential (4x4 corners first) I got a 1:11 on it. How am I just now realizing it?

 

[DuckubingCuber347]

4CF has a little bit of potential (4x4 corners first) I got a 1:11 on it. How am I just now realizing it?

Just like your 5x5 method which isn't for speedsolving? If it's anything like that it doesn't have potential (sorry). Also whatever happened to cubing news? At least post one single article before quitting I am not wasting a lecture.

 

[LukasCubes]

Just like your 5x5 method which isn't for speedsolving? If it's anything like that it doesn't have potential (sorry). Also whatever happened to cubing news? At least post one single article before quitting I am not wasting a lecture.

Somebody deleted everything on giving nrws but I will get back to it, just not the every wr feliks broke, maybe in the future lol. Btw my cube doesn't turn that good either but there has to be some algs I can learn to get that sub1

 

[LukasCubes]

ok I feel like starting the worst cubing argument ever.

So I heard someone say Roux averages low 40s in movecount thus is a lower movecount that waterman. They are wrong for original version. They are adding in this like EOLR and other variant things to lower the movecount. Waterman (original) averages low 40s as well, but if you add all the variants in to lower that movecount, like 1 look L4E and 1 look L5E (2 Holes style and/or other Styles, and L7E algs and more, then that movecount can be reduced to around 40 or even lower. So adding the variants of both methods in, Waterman still beats out Roux. I still like Roux tho im sub-20 with it but I average like 15 with Waterman.

 

[Scollier]

Here's an argument on how I feel about the RS3M 2020:

It's not actually that great of a cube. I know this is a controversial topic, and you might disagree, but I have many problems with it. First of all, I don't like the plastic. It feels quite thick, unlike the Guhong V4, and although this plastic makes it more durable, it doesn't feel as fast in a sense, and it also makes it heavier.
Second of all, the mechanisms are kind of a pain. I feel like this is the problem I had with GAN cubes: they have a zillion different adjustments. Especially for a beginner, who just has started cubing, the RS3M would be recommended to them, but I don't think they could quite figure out the spring tightening system, as I could barely figure it out myself. I'll just take a spring and screw myself, thank you.
Third of all, the magnets are quite weak. Personally, I like stronger magnets, but the thick plastic of the RS3M was slightly blocking the pull of the magnets. Therefore, I got the magnet add on, where you add extra magnets to the cube. This did help, and I liked the feel of the magnets, but now the cube was much heavier, making it not enjoyable to cube with.
And last of all, the spring noise was really annoying. No matter how much I tweaked it, no matter how much lube I applied to the edges, corners, springs, screws, etc., the cube still made annoying noises. Whenever I turned a specific face, the cube almost made a grinding sound. Now, I hope you can see why I really don't like the RS3M 2020, but I'm hoping the RS3M 2021 is better.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this as well if you agree/disagree.

 

[PetraPine]

Here's an argument on how I feel about the RS3M 2020:

It's not actually that great of a cube. I know this is a controversial topic, and you might disagree, but I have many problems with it. First of all, I don't like the plastic. It feels quite thick, unlike the Guhong V4, and although this plastic makes it more durable, it doesn't feel as fast in a sense, and it also makes it heavier.
Second of all, the mechanisms are kind of a pain. I feel like this is the problem I had with GAN cubes: they have a zillion different adjustments. Especially for a beginner, who just has started cubing, the RS3M would be recommended to them, but I don't think they could quite figure out the spring tightening system, as I could barely figure it out myself. I'll just take a spring and screw myself, thank you.
Third of all, the magnets are quite weak. Personally, I like stronger magnets, but the thick plastic of the RS3M was slightly blocking the pull of the magnets. Therefore, I got the magnet add on, where you add extra magnets to the cube. This did help, and I liked the feel of the magnets, but now the cube was much heavier, making it not enjoyable to cube with.
And last of all, the spring noise was really annoying. No matter how much I tweaked it, no matter how much lube I applied to the edges, corners, springs, screws, etc., the cube still made annoying noises. Whenever I turned a specific face, the cube almost made a grinding sound. Now, I hope you can see why I really don't like the RS3M 2020, but I'm hoping the RS3M 2021 is better.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this as well if you agree/disagree.

tbh, I like the qiyi ms more for beginners but its too big for most people to like.
all the extra tension stuff in cubes now adays is over the top annoying bull ****.
I would probably buy a gan cube if they had a normal adjustment system because then I could actually make it as tight as I wanted so it didn't constantly pop even on the tightest settings.

roux low 40 movecount

who says that...? its more like 45-50

 

[hellocubers]

Alright time to start a new argument. Z Perm bad.

 

[Melvintnh327]

duck

quack

 

[CubeRed]

Alright time to start a new argument. Z Perm bad.

It's good if you have the right algs. Top class silvers get sub 0.9 times.

 

[cuberbutnotacuber]

Here's an argument on how I feel about the RS3M 2020:

It's not actually that great of a cube. I know this is a controversial topic, and you might disagree, but I have many problems with it. First of all, I don't like the plastic. It feels quite thick, unlike the Guhong V4, and although this plastic makes it more durable, it doesn't feel as fast in a sense, and it also makes it heavier.
Second of all, the mechanisms are kind of a pain. I feel like this is the problem I had with GAN cubes: they have a zillion different adjustments. Especially for a beginner, who just has started cubing, the RS3M would be recommended to them, but I don't think they could quite figure out the spring tightening system, as I could barely figure it out myself. I'll just take a spring and screw myself, thank you.
Third of all, the magnets are quite weak. Personally, I like stronger magnets, but the thick plastic of the RS3M was slightly blocking the pull of the magnets. Therefore, I got the magnet add on, where you add extra magnets to the cube. This did help, and I liked the feel of the magnets, but now the cube was much heavier, making it not enjoyable to cube with.
And last of all, the spring noise was really annoying. No matter how much I tweaked it, no matter how much lube I applied to the edges, corners, springs, screws, etc., the cube still made annoying noises. Whenever I turned a specific face, the cube almost made a grinding sound. Now, I hope you can see why I really don't like the RS3M 2020, but I'm hoping the RS3M 2021 is better.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this as well if you agree/disagree.

Recently I've been noticing this too. The spring noise is barely noticeable now, but when I first got it... it was unbearable. No really. I only understood the tensioning system after J Perm's vid on the RS3M 2020.
I think the main issue a lot of beginners have is not understanding the mechanics of the puzzle. And I know that is true, based on my experience.
Imagine this scenario: You've just begun cubing, and your friends tell you the buy the RS3M. So you go ahead and buy it. Fast forward a few days, and you get it. You haven't watched any reviews or explanations regarding the cube, because you want an unbiased opinion. So you unbox it and start fiddling with it. All of a sudden, you have no clue as to what's going on with the cube. You think its too tight, and so you open it up. You get hit with an array of new features and new tools that you don't know how to use. You already threw out the instructions because you thought that this was going to be like a QiYi MS, or a YLM. You realized that the RS3M was magnetic, but you literally can't feel it. It feels like a MS or a Little Magic.

This is the problem that I think happens with beginners. Yes, the RS3M is light and fast. Yes, the RS3M is cheap and has a lot of features. But if you don't understand those features, what's the point of buying the RS3M, when you could buy something like the QiYi MS or YLM and be done with it? There's nothing that extraordinary about those two, besides the fact that they're cheaper than the RS3M. My solution is:

-Start of with something simple like a QiYi MS or Warrior or the YLM until you reach Sub 30.
-Get a new cube like the RS3M but preferably within 20 dollars until sub 15.
-Get a new flagship when you get to sub 10, and expand your collection from there.

The RS3M is more like a cube for intermediates, not for absolute beginners. Of course they can choose it if they want to, but if you can't understand the mechanics of the cube, then there's literally no point in buying the RS3M. MoYu uses this system in all of their cubes, and if you love MoYu and want all of their cubes, then yes, go for the RS3M, because it's literally the same as the Worms but cheaper.

TL;DR: The RS3M is a good cube, but not for absolute beginners.