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I noticed the other day that the Sune algorithm RUR'URU2R' performed just like that doesn't actually align the antisune case correctly when you do it and vice-versa. Wouldn't this mean that the true sune algorithm is RUR'URU2R'U? And antisune is L'U'LU'L'U2LU'?
 
There are different ways of performing sune.

RUR'URU2R' does have an inverse. It's RU2R'U'RU'R'. That is also called anti-sune.
 
There are tons of algorithms for the sune and antisune. Think them of shapes, not algorithms. (anti-x doesn't have to mean mirrored-x, it can mean x')
 
I wanted to say that because he's using L'U'LU'L'U2LU' for the Antisune, it doesn't mean that the algorithms he uses need to be canceling each other. He isn't confused with Niklas-Sune or something, I just said that there isn't a fixed algorithm for Sune/Antisune.

I'm not saying that we can tell Niklas from Sune using shape (orientation of corners), I'm saying that for Sune and Antisune.
 
L'U'LU'L'U2L is not an anti-Sune, it's a Sune.

I'm pretty sure it's a Sune... If you do it on a solved cube, you get a Sune case.
Huh?

Er, ignore that. :)

It's 2 AM and I guess I decided that sunes and antisunes are the same thing, or something to that effect. I was really sure I was right, too.


Edit: Wait, what?

I don't know any more. :'(

My point was that if you do L' U' L U' L' U2 L on a solved cube, you get a
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Since you get a sune as the result of doing that algorithm, it must be an antisune.
 
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But if you DO use RUR'URU2R' for sune and L'U'LU'L'U2L for antisune, wouldn't the real algorithms be RUR'URU2R'U and L'U'LU'L'U2LU'?
 
The R-U Sune/Antisune and the L-U Sune/Antisune end up in different positions. They aren't meant to cancel eachother. What is the point in doing the U at the end anyway?
 
The point is to orient the sune or antisune in a position where you can perform the mirror without regripping. I think I get what you're saying though in that just because they're mirrors of each other that doesn't mean they cancel out by nature.
 
This has been a question I've had for a year or two, so let's hash it out. Is Sune the case or the algorithm? I think it's used interchangeably, the case is always labeled Sune, but in Tyson's blindfold guide and many other places it's used in a manner that if you didn't use Lars' Sune algorithm, it wouldn't work.
 
Brunson, I'd say that it is correct to refer to the algorithm and the 3 corner twist OLL/OCLL/CLL case as "Sune", but it isn't correct to refer to an isolated 3-corner-twist (like you'd need in BLD) as a Sune, since you can't solve it with the RUR'URU2R' algorithm.

Also I agree with Arnaud, RUR'URU2R' + U2 is the "real" Sune algorithm (just like RU'L'UR'U'L + U is the "real" Niklas), but there's no point in learning the AUF if you're just using it to speedsolve.
 
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