[Help Thread] Square-1 Discussion

You really don't need an insanely fast TPS to get to the 20-25 range if you use optimal or near-optimal cubeshape, full EO and full CP. About EP, a few more wont' hurt (for example, opp-adj is helpful, and Z and O-opp are really easy to learn), but if you don't want to learn too many of them, you can alternatively simply learn how to combine the ones you know to solve more cases in 1 look.
 
I'd say cubeshape is youl biggest problem, if you havent watch david woner's video its probably the best to learn from. like tmoy said learn the easy ones like Z, H, O-opp, and opp-adj. also sub5 parity is a must.
 
Ok, I forgot to mention that I already know the H and Z perms ;) . Now I'll finish with EO and CP and then work on EP. Normally I do parity in the range of 5-10 seconds, depends on the number of lock ups that I have while doing it... I need to practice this more. Tomorrow or so I'll watch David Woner's cubeshape video, but I think that I do something similiar to what he explains in the video, I learned it a few days ago from a friend. And finally, when you mean O-opp do you want me to learn the cw, the ccw or both? Haha, and the same with opp-adj, I need to know only this or adj-opp too?

So much thanks for your help!
 
Outsmash said:
How many EP's do you all know?
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i know:
H, Z, Opp-Adj on both layers [6/6]
Opp-Opp, Adj-Adj [2/8]
Opp-H, ParityCP [1/9]

so 9 EPs and 8 ParityCPs. but because of ParityCP I very rarely use Opp-H, only with a CP skip with parity, so I really only use 8 EPs.


I think Andrew said earlier in this he knows all of the non-parity EPs.

APdRF said:
Ok, thank you for your help, learnt the O-opp earlier this morning and I will go for EO now :D .
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the opp-adj ones arnt necessary, i dont know them.
 
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The opp-adj are that ones that I don't know yet, but I will learn them because they are not that difficult :P .

Do you recomend me to learn parity CP when I'm finished with the EO's and the opp-adj EP's? (I learnt the O-opp after posting my other comment :3)
 
I just finished an average of 5 (probably not enough...) and i broke it down--- (cubeshape, co, eo, cp, ep)

1. 5.69, 1.63, 2.23, 7.08, 20.46
2. 5.20, 1.65, 5.13, 6.61, 11.48
3. 6.19, 1.46, 9.00, 6.10, 3.79
4. 9.49, 2.72, 4.31, 7.67, 21.74
5. 7.92, 3.54, 3.58, 5.20, 13.29

I know about 17 ep's, btw. what do i need to work on besides ep?
and I am still living with an mf8 v2. thanks goodness i'm waiting for a calvin's in the mail.
 
brandbest1 said:
I just finished an average of 5 (probably not enough...) and i broke it down--- (cubeshape, co, eo, cp, ep)

1. 5.69, 1.63, 2.23, 7.08, 20.46
2. 5.20, 1.65, 5.13, 6.61, 11.48
3. 6.19, 1.46, 9.00, 6.10, 3.79
4. 9.49, 2.72, 4.31, 7.67, 21.74
5. 7.92, 3.54, 3.58, 5.20, 13.29

I know about 17 ep's, btw. what do i need to work on besides ep?
and I am still living with an mf8 v2. thanks goodness i'm waiting for a calvin's in the mail.
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Y U NO GO TO JERSEY SHORE? ಠ_ಠ rawr.

on topic:

I would say you need to improve your cube shape the most. Optimal shapes can come really handy. After practicing this you can pretty much solve most cases in around 3 seconds.

I also recommend you improve your CP times. If you're not using CP parity your CP breakdowns should be a lot faster. Simon has a list of those in his giant algorithm spreadsheet. If you are using CP parity then your EP should be a lot faster. Tbh, I'm not to sure what's going on there...


I timed myself to make some comparisons. It's not really helpful since the timer I used was bad. Had a couple of skips in there to.
6.51 4.1 6.6 5.3 8.1 30.61
3.88 1.8 4.4 2.56 5.18 17.82
5.41 1.27 4.5 0 5.3 16.48
4 1.19 3.85 9.25 6.8 25.09
8.74 0 4.87 4.7 33.92 52.23
 
cp is more like cp+adj-adj, i kept forgetting to stop the timer
three parities I think
Code: 
num     cube    eo+co    cp      ep   |  total
----------------------------------------------
1	2.46	4.33	8.98	2.22  |  17.99
2	2.92	5.21	7.08	3.04  |  18.25
3	2.35	3.16	5.01	1.87  |  12.39
4 	2.71	5.30	9.03	1.60  |  18.64
5 	2.41	3.95	6.21	2.29  |  14.86
----------------------------------------------
Average 2.57    4.39    7.26    2.20  |  16.43
 
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Czery said:
Y U NO GO TO JERSEY SHORE? ಠ_ಠ rawr.

on topic:

I would say you need to improve your cube shape the most. Optimal shapes can come really handy. After practicing this you can pretty much solve most cases in around 3 seconds.

I also recommend you improve your CP times. If you're not using CP parity your CP breakdowns should be a lot faster. Simon has a list of those in his giant algorithm spreadsheet. If you are using CP parity then your EP should be a lot faster. Tbh, I'm not to sure what's going on there...


I timed myself to make some comparisons. It's not really helpful since the timer I used was bad. Had a couple of skips in there to.
6.51 4.1 6.6 5.3 8.1 30.61
3.88 1.8 4.4 2.56 5.18 17.82
5.41 1.27 4.5 0 5.3 16.48
4 1.19 3.85 9.25 6.8 25.09
8.74 0 4.87 4.7 33.92 52.23
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Yeah, I only know two algs for CP parity. My turning speed is also pretty slow cuz my mf8 is crazy stiff now. But anyway, thanks!
BTW i used cstimer to time multiphase times. And I could've went to Jersey Shore if I hadn'thad last minute plans.
 
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How do I improve cubeshape?
Vague, yes but where do I begin? I know a few basic shapes and I usually just group 8 edges and get to cubeshape from there.
Any suggestions?
Also, I know 3 EO's, all CP's and 2 EP's (opp/opp and adj/adj) from Lars' site.
What would be the best plan of action for learning or practicing algs or solves now?

And which website has good EP algs? Lars' doesn't seem that great but I can't judge :/
 
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Outsmash said:
How do I improve cubeshape?
Vague, yes but where do I begin? I know a few basic shapes and I usually just group 8 edges and get to cubeshape from there.
Any suggestions?
Also, I know 3 EO's, all CP's and 2 EP's (opp/opp and adj/adj) from Lars' site.
What would be the best plan of action for learning or practicing algs or solves now?

And which website has good EP algs? Lars' doesn't seem that great but I can't judge :/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAr0b3ffI1k

That video will show you a good way to start out with getting better. I linked it to about 5 minutes in, before that he shows some fairly basic shapes and how to do them quickly and efficiently.

EDIT: This thread is also helpful http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...1-Cubeshape-Tutorial-(Beginners-amp-advanced)
 
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sa11297 said:
I know how to solve cubeshape by making all the edges grouped together on the U face. Which of the following methods should I learn? I am thinking I should learn the first one and quickly switch to the second.
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...1-Cubeshape-Tutorial-(Beginners-amp-advanced)
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Both of those video's would help you a lot. the second is a bit tougher to understand for some people so if you don't understand it right away don't let yourself get frustrated
 
Neo63 said:
Just videos should be fine as long as you can make some sort of index page which would make it easier to search for vids. Looking forward to this.

I feel like people don't use U+adj as much as they should. For me every other solve I use it, it simplifies so many cases it's crazy.

Hmm so I stopped practicing square-1 a while ago and my time went back to around 20. I'm not sure what to start practicing...a lot of people have told me I have terrible cube shape but I don't see how to get better other than tons of practice. Can someone link me to the adj-adj alg that also flips middle layer? Also what cube do you guys use? I use my 4 year old mf8 1gen and it's great. Tried cubetwist but it pops too much for my liking. Have any of you guys modded your mf8 1gen?
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I really like the V1's but i take the spring out of them, same with the Calvin's Sq1 i just recieved. they are both the same mech but the calvin's one feel like it has already been broken in to a good spot. I'm not a fan of the ball core v2's.

And for the alg i just adjust the ending of the regular adj-adj algs
 
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