# Speedcubing - What are the limits?

## How far do you think we can go with 3x3 averages?

• ### Chuck Norris. That's all I have to say.

• Total voters
181

#### rtmoose

##### Member
i saw a video where these guys made a cube solving robot that solved the cube in <5 seconds, it looked at all six sides and solved in one sequence of moves...

if a machine cant do it faster than that, I highly doubt a human being could

#### Isaac Paurus

##### Member
No lower than sub 6. If we create a really good method with easy reconition and no more 100 algs that could be really fast. I only believe that cubing will grow because more and more people are starting to realize that this is not impossible and how easy and how much fun this is. I do believe that we have reached the limit on how good of a cube we can have for 3x3. The Zhanchi and Guhong v2 really can't be beat.

well, i heard the dayan 6 is coming out...

#### WBCube

##### Member
if a machine cant do it faster than that, I highly doubt a human being could

GDCuber has a video of a 4.64 solve I believe. And it could have been around a second faster if he did the OLL with his left hand. It's definitely possible with a lucky enough scramble

#### applemobile

##### Member
I will put money on 4x4 reaching sub 20. But not with any reduction based methods, they are too inefficient, I think a big shake up will happen in the big cube world once some new methods get going.

My predictions:
(single)
2x2 - 0.4
3x3 - 3.9
OH - 7.5
4x4 - 19.0
5x5 - 42.0
6x6 - 1:25.0
7x7 - 2:10.0
3x3 BLD - 18.0
4x4 BLD - 2:00.0
5x5 BLD -4:30.0
Pyra: 1.30
Mega: 35.0
WF: 20.0
FM: 16
Square1: 6.5
Clock: 3.0
3x3 MBLD - 45/45

(average)
2x2 - 1.3
3x3 - 4.9
OH - 8.5
4x4 - 25
5x5 - 48
6x6 - 1:25
7x7 - 2:05
Pyra: 2.0
Mega: 43.0
WF: 26.0
Square1: 10.0
Clock: 4.5

#### Ickathu

##### Member
My predictions:
(single)
OH - 7.5
Pyra: 1.30
3x3 MBLD - 45/45

Those can be wayyy faster imo.
maybe
OH - mid to high 6 is my guess
Pyra: 0.6
3x3 MBLD - 60 cubes.

#### ben1996123

##### Banned
My predictions:
(single)
2x2 - 0.4
3x3 - 3.9
OH - 7.5
Pyra: 1.30
WF: 20.0
Square1: 6.5

(average)
Square1: 10.0

Those have already been beaten unofficially. Maybe 2x2 average, feet average and fewest moves too.

#### AndersB

2020 predictions(average):

2x2: 1.6
3x3: 4.8
4x4: 25
5x5: 45
6x6: 1:35
7x7: 2:20
OH: 7.4
FT: 27
Pyra: 2.5
Mega: 38
Sq-1: 8.5
Clock: 4.8

Single events:
3bld: 17
4bld: 1:40
5bld: 4:00
Mbld: 60/60 in <60 ;-)
FMC: 18

#### rubikmaster

##### Member
It would be interesting if someone made a graph of the whole cubing progress through the years. Maybe we would be able to make more accurate predictions. But, maybe it wouldn't really help at all, I mean all the future progress of cubing pretty much depends on just developing new and better methods now.

#### Evan Liu

##### Member
It would be interesting if someone made a graph of the whole cubing progress through the years. Maybe we would be able to make more accurate predictions. But, maybe it wouldn't really help at all, I mean all the future progress of cubing pretty much depends on just developing new and better methods now.
See this and this.

#### applemobile

##### Member
I think next year the record for the magic will be, Lulz, no more magic. Your event is bad and you should feel bad.

#### WBCube

##### Member
I think next year the record for the magic will be, Lulz, no more magic. Your event is bad and you should feel bad.

It's kind of weird to know that whatever the record is at the time the magic event dies will be the official record forever

#### Petro Leum

##### Member
It's kind of weird to know that whatever the record is at the time the magic event dies will be the official record forever

i think speedstackers should take over the magic and mastermagic as events, as it fits their niveau.

#### rubikmaster

##### Member
i think speedstackers should take over the magic and mastermagic as events, as it fits their niveau.

Great idea! I think solving Magic would fit speedstackers much better.

#### WarriorCatCuber

##### Member
I think that even sub-2 could be possible eventually

#### PCCuber

##### Member
it's funny to see what people thought back in 2012 and the records now
I like the fact that they believed cubes would melt in order for a sub-4 single.
They also predicted 5-style @abunickabhi .

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#### Sub1Hour

##### Member
I do believe that we have reached the limit on how good of a cube we can have for 3x3. The Zhanchi and Guhong v2 really can't be beat.