Some F2l issues..

[Nnnnnnnate]

I have recently discovered how rarely people use F and B turns during their F2l. By watching sub20 solvers I noticed that their f2l is LUR without any F's or B's.

I got my algs from http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l_crossbottom_print.html

I wish to get faster but I'm not sure how much F and B turns can affect me in speed and time. Should I:

1) Stick to current algs from the site mentioned above

2) Change all the algs I memorized

3) Adjust a few algorithms

I don't know if any of you have been in my position, but it just seems discouraging to start my F2l all over.

If I were to change some, which sites do you recommend?

 

[Dene]

I strongly recommend doing F2L intuitively. You will learn it a lot faster, and you don't have to worry about "forgetting". Anything that you think might not be efficient, you can look up algorithms for it later on. If you do it intuitively though, it will suit your own style, as Mr. Pochmann is finding, everyone solve differently

 

[Jai]

Pretty much everyone supports what Dene says. Intuitive F2L is the way to go. The point of F2L pages are for you to see the logic in the algos, not as much to use them all and memorize them,( unlike OLL/PLL pages). You can use that same logic and way of thinking in the algos shown to pair up corners and edges, no matter what position they're in.

 

[Henrik]

I learned all the algs from a page and as time went by I learned to do all the algs from different sides and angels so what you have learned is good enough.

You just have to learn how to "use" them.

Now you have them learned why forget it just use it and you will almost me intuitive at some point. I think there is only 2 algs I still remember from learning F2L rest are just in my hands. Of cause i learned it at some point but I dont think about it anymore, I just do what I see.

 

[Lotsofsloths]

I suggest go with option 3. Adjust a few algorithms, I mean, F2l algorithms aren't
that hard, you just gotta remember how they move around the pieces, plus, intuitive ROCKS!

I know this is semi-off topic from this thread but...
Does anyone know a site that has A LOT of 2 gen F2l algorithms?
Those are my favorite to suggest for you

 

[Nnnnnnnate]

I suggest go with option 3. Adjust a few algorithms, I mean, F2l algorithms aren't
that hard, you just gotta remember how they move around the pieces, plus, intuitive ROCKS!

I know this is semi-off topic from this thread but...
Does anyone know a site that has A LOT of 2 gen F2l algorithms?
Those are my favorite to suggest for you

Thanks for all your replies! I am curious though, I always thought using algs rather than intuitive is faster. Could someone tell me a little about intuitive F2l and how to "use" it and such..not sure if it makes sense.

I don't really have any sources to learn intuitive F2l..

PS- What is 2-gen?

 

[Dene]

You don't have a source, the idea is that you figure it out for yourself. Play around with it. Obviously you have an idea of what to do, just watch the pieces as you move them around and try to find ways that work for you.

2-gen is an algorithm that only involves using 2 faces (commonly R and U). Eg., the Sune (R U R' U R U2 R').

 

[alexgoldberg]

Listen Nate, most cubers tend to say to learn the F2L intuitively.
To start this, definitely read through Doug Reed's page about it:
http://dougreed.no-ip.org/~doug/f2l/f2l.htm

Then read through this discussion (intuitive vs. memorized f2l):
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/35566
Scroll down and read through the whole thread, and make sure you read Richard Patterson's and Dan Harris's responses arguing for the memorized f2l.

Then pick and choose algs from speedcubing, cubeloop, cubestation, etc, and from your own intuition.