Should stickerless cubes be allowed in WCA competition?

[Edward]

Shouldn't/Wouldn't loose cubes be illegal to, since more moves are possible (corner twist)?

I think that's pretty irrelevant.
Valid argument. However, I would doubt that anyone would use corner twisting to gain an advantage.

Yeah, but what's the point of having rules if they aren't being followed? Loose cubes and puzzles with thick tiles (having more pieces visible) break the WCA regulations but are still allowed.

There's a limit on how thick tiles can be, and I'm sure If a jugde caught you corner twisting on purpose, he/she probably would DNF you right there.

 

[irontwig]

There's a limit on how thick tiles can be, and I'm sure If a jugde caught you corner twisting on purpose, he/she probably would DNF you right there.

Oops, I forgot they added to the tile thickness rule:

3f) Stickers/tiles/textures/paint must not be thicker than 1.5 mm, or the generally available thickness for non cube puzzles.

Of course one should at the very least get a DNF after doing a corner twist, but according to the regulations it's in enough that you can do it. I personally think pops should be counted as DNFs to, as they are pretty much the same thing and it's for the most part the slowest time anyway.

 

[Stefan]

Unless you're looking at a normal cube from exactly 90 degrees, you can see either the color on the right or left. If you see the color on the right then the color on the left is obvious.

Ya, cause we never scramble the cubes.

 

[irontwig]

C'mon, Stefan. We all know they're impossible to solve.

 

[Kirjava]

This is all we need to see. No, this isn't legal.

Ofc. But /should/ it be?

 

[Ashmnafa]

This is all we need to see. No, this isn't legal.

Ofc. But /should/ it be?

I think that it should be. I highly doubt that anyone would look mid-turn to see what the colors on the side are, when they could just tilt the cube to the side. It isn't really an advantage.

 

[M4rQu5]

But if anyone can use this cube, noone can't really get an advantage.
I say legal.

 

[Carrot]

I say Legal

 

[EnterPseudonym]

illegal

 

[Carrot]

legal

fixed =D

 

[EnterPseudonym]

illegal

fixed =D

 

[r_517]

illegal

fixed =D

this

 

[maggot]

I think it important to note that if this puzzle is sticker on top of the color **insert tons of flaming here** that transparency is negligible. However, I still say illegal because (hopefully majority will agree) f2l lookahead advantage.. no matter how small or insignificant it may seem to be, everyone trying to become fast times should play with similar puzzle. A white plastic or black, purple or orange, doesn't matter, but the 45 degree turn make it very obvious. I know people with very high tps it will not really help, but for me, with 15sec cross f2l, it would put me at advantage... because as I'm looking for my edge piece, my tps is not as fast, and I can distinguish the back edge piece as I'm solving without turning the angle of cube! I may not see it very well, but if I was able to distingush it, that save me a potential 1/2-1 sec for looking at the B face.

 

[Kirjava]

People say that it gives you an advantage.

I don't see why it's different from having an easier to turn cube in that respect though. Obviously, it's different in other aspects.

I also don't see why it's a problem. You're still solving the same puzzle.

 

[DavidWoner]

Shouldn't/Wouldn't loose cubes be illegal to, since more moves are possible (corner twist)?

Accidental corner twists are considered puzzle defects, like pops. Intentional corner twists results in DNFs

EDIT: the danish delegate won't let me use my russian pyraminx due to slice turns O____O

What do you mean by slice turns? Like you can do U u' with one finger?

 

[r_517]

This is what WCA Delegate Chris Krueger said on twistypuzzles

The issue is with this:

No modifications are allowed that enhance the basic concept of a puzzle. Some examples of enhancing the basic concept are [...] more pieces are visible, colours on the backside of the puzzle are visible

As a delegate, I would not allow this cube. The pictures posted by rugia show that this cube gives you visibility far beyond a "normal" cube. I can already think of one way this could be taken advantage of in competition.

It's a great cube, and I'm sure people will get great scores with the solid-colored versions. As for the multi-colored one, it looks quite nice and I'd love to have one, just not for competition.

 

[Carrot]

EDIT: the danish delegate won't let me use my russian pyraminx due to slice turns O____O

What do you mean by slice turns? Like you can do U u' with one finger?[/QUOTE]

yes

 

[Bryan]

If you feel really strongly about the issue, why not take it up on the WCA forum?

 

[Carrot]

People say that it gives you an advantage.

this..

I don't see why it's different from having an easier to turn cube in that respect though. Obviously, it's different in other aspects

this... just ask Joey, about my disadvantages with my cubes

I also don't see why it's a problem. You're still solving the same puzzle.

THIS!!!! and multiply it with 1000

 

[shelley]

I'm sure If a jugde caught you corner twisting on purpose, he/she probably would DNF you right there.

He/she had better DNF you right there, as that's an illegal move.

This is all we need to see. No, this isn't legal.

Ofc. But /should/ it be?

That's probably a discussion better suited for the WCA regulation forum. This thread is about this particular cube, and as the rules stand now it is not WCA legal.