Should pillowed puzzles be allowed for competition use?

[Carrot]

Hello speedcubers. At the world championships Uwe Meffert introduced me to this pillowed pyraminx, which led to a discussion among some people about whether it should be allowed in competition or not.

So I just want to hear your opinions about what the rules should be for pillowed puzzles, as of right now, the only allowed pillowed puzzle is the 7x7x7. (According to Ron van Bruchem)

Chris Krueger said something like this at Worlds while eating dinner "I think there should be a rule stating that all puzzles but 3x3x3 should be allowed to have a pillowed shape"

The puzzles so far I have heard about being produced in a pillowed shape is: 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4, 5x5x5 7x7x7 and pyraminx

As far as I am concerned, the thing about pillowed puzzles are that you need to rotate it less to see some of the stickers, but on the other hand, you need to rotate it even more to see some other stickers.

Feel free to discuss why you think it should not be allowed or it should be allowed.

 

[Petezorzz]

I reckon they should be allowed...
I don't even get why they are comp illegal. It should be your choice of what cube you want to use, if you bring a pillowed cube then you can see around the sides to other colours which gives you an advantage. If you choose to bring a cubic cube, then your loss.

Pick pillowed cube,
Bring to competition
= Profit

 

[CRO]

The puzzles so far I have heard about being produced in a pillowed shape is: 2x2x2, 3x3x3, (4x4x4? 6x6x6?) 7x7x7 and pyraminx

QJ has 4x4 and 5x5 pillowed, and only pillowed 6x6 is Diansheng KO.

I think they souldn't be allowed.

 

[MadeToReply]

its not like the pillowed version makes the cube faster but it just lets you see more side so a better recognition so why not?
i mean just because you can see most of the side,can you use it as an advantage or will you just be focusing on the colours you can see more of.

So i agree that they should be allowed.

 

[aaronb]

I reckon they should be allowed...
I don't even get why they are comp illegal. It should be your choice of what cube you want to use, if you bring a pillowed cube then you can see around the sides to other colours which gives you an advantage. If you choose to bring a cubic cube, then your loss.

Pick pillowed cube,
Bring to competition
= Profit

its not like the pillowed version makes the cube faster but it just lets you see more side so a better recognition so why not?
i mean just because you can see most of the side,can you use it as an advantage or will you just be focusing on the colours you can see more of.

Sticker-less cubes fall into the same category in my opinion. I mean, you can see more stickers, but will you really use it to your advantage? I think that if you can see more of the cube than another person, then it shouldn't be allowed. Even if 99% of people won't try to cheat/use it to their advantage, you will always get those few people, who try to get an unfair advantage.

I think pillowed cubes should be competition-illegal, except for the 7x7, which, I'm kind of neutral on, and wouldn't wind if the pillowed version went competition-illegal, or stayed like how it is now. All rules are there for a reason, and if (like you claim) pillowed cubes except 7x7 are illegal, and sticker-less cubes are illegal, then they shall remain illegal. Even if there is only a slight chance of it being benefited from, it will still eventually be exploited.

 

[Tim Major]

Odder being serious?
the ****

On a serious note, I say they should be allowed because the 777 is allowed. I would prefer they're not allowed because it is an advantage, but the 777 was allowed so it'd be inconsistent not to be.

 

[Ickenicke]

No!

Maybe the 6x6 had could be allowed but no smaller cubes, and absolutely not the 3x3!

 

[Kirjava]

I would prefer they're not allowed because it is an advantage

Do you think there is anyone that is faster on a pillowed cube than a non pillowed cube?

 

[Tim Major]

Do you think there is anyone that is faster on a pillowed cube than a non pillowed cube?

No, but that's because pillowed cubes don't turn as well. Pillowed ZhanChi > ZhanChi if you were used to it.
The pyra odder is talking about is actually good.

 

[Tim Major]

Do you think there is anyone that is faster on a pillowed cube than a non pillowed cube?

No, but that's because pillowed cubes don't turn as well. Pillowed ZhanChi > ZhanChi if you were used to it.
The pyra odder is talking about is actually good.

 

[MadeToReply]

btw tim thnx for the cubes they came bout a month ago?? and there really good out of the box cept the dayan mf8 but overall good cubes i might get a sq-1.

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

I've never really understood this. If everyone can use pillowed/transparent/stickerless cubes in competition, how is it even possible to get an unfair advantage? It would still be a level playing field, just with more puzzles available. I say they should all be legal. Unless I'm missing something?

 

[Kirjava]

No, but that's because pillowed cubes don't turn as well.

So you don't get an advantage by using them.

 

[MadeToReply]

I've never really understood this. If everyone can use pillowed/transparent/stickerless cubes in competition, how is it even possible to get an unfair advantage? It would still be a level playing field, just with more puzzles available. I say they should all be legal. Unless I'm missing something?

But some people would be able to use the extra look ahead and most prob cant i know i wouldnt and it would be unfair for some else to use it vsing someone who cant
but still i think they should kinda be allowed

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

But some people would be able to use the extra look ahead and most prob cant i know i wouldnt and it would be unfair for some else to use it vsing someone who cant
but still i think they should kinda be allowed

Am I understanding wrong, or do you think that being better at cubing is an unfair advantage?

 

[aaronb]

No, but that's because pillowed cubes don't turn as well.

So you don't get an advantage by using them.

But what happens when pillowed cubes DO turn as well as cubic cubes? When we do have good pillowed cubes available, then they will give you an advantage. So I still think they should be competition-illegal.

 

[MadeToReply]

Am I understanding wrong, or do you think that being better at cubing is an unfair advantage?

now that i think about that you are right so i guess they could be allowed(wait i said they could be allowed...)

 

[Kirjava]

But what happens when pillowed cubes DO turn as well as cubic cubes?

They won't.

They don't turn as well /because/ they're pillowed.

 

[asportking]

I don't want them to be allowed, just because it sort of goes against the spirit of the competition. It's supposed to be a rubik's CUBE, not a rubik's round-ish square. 7x7 would be allowed, of course, but it pillowed 3x3's are legal, what's there to stop ball-shaped 3x3's from becoming legal as well?

 

[Cubetastic]

I believe they should be allowed, but not in the same division of usual 3x3 speed. There should be a seperate competition like Pillowed Speed for the slight unfair advantage when seeing the other edge piece colour.