Should pillowed puzzles be allowed for competition use?

[aaronb]

I believe they should be allowed, but not in the same division of usual 3x3 speed. There should be a seperate competition like Pillowed Speed for the slight unfair advantage when seeing the other edge piece colour.

The last thing we need at the moment is seven new events. People have a hard time accepting 1 new event, let alone 7.

 

[Kirjava]

There should be a seperate competition like Pillowed Speed

I'm starting to worry about the future state of the cubing community.

 

[Cubetastic]

The last thing we need at the moment is seven new events. People have a hard time accepting 1 new event, let alone 7.

I see, I was not aware of the current state on decision of new events of the people in the cubing community. But if it ever is allowed i believe it shouldn't be associated with normal 3x3 events, for the higher order cubes since the slight pillow effect takes into account maybe seeing one or two extra edge pieces.

 

[Carrot]

I say they should be allowed because the 777 is allowed. I would prefer they're not allowed because it is an advantage, but the 777 was allowed so it'd be inconsistent not to be.

I agree with this, I really don't see why there should be any inconsistents in the regulations, just because a manufactor does not produce a specific product (in this case a non-pillowed 7x7x7) so either the regulations should allow other puzzles to be it aswell, or we should just make pillowed 7x7x7s illegal because you get an unfair advantage for PLL

Do you think there is anyone that is faster on a pillowed cube than a non pillowed cube?

7x7x7... and that one is competition legal.

I've never really understood this. If everyone can use pillowed/transparent/stickerless cubes in competition, how is it even possible to get an unfair advantage? It would still be a level playing field, just with more puzzles available. I say they should all be legal. Unless I'm missing something?

I'm sharing the same opinion as you, even though I see that from an outsider's point of view it would be weird to see pillowed puzzles when they originally wasn't. which is what asportking describes:

I don't want them to be allowed, just because it sort of goes against the spirit of the competition. It's supposed to be a rubik's CUBE, not a rubik's round-ish square. 7x7 would be allowed, of course, but it pillowed 3x3's are legal, what's there to stop ball-shaped 3x3's from becoming legal as well?

Btw guys, we are not only talking about cuboid puzzles.

 

[Kirjava]

7x7x7... and that one is competition legal.

Who owns a pillowed and non pillowed 7x7x7 and prefers to use the pillowed one?

 

[Carrot]

Who owns a pillowed and non pillowed 7x7x7 and prefers to use the pillowed one?

I don't know, but I guess someone has made one themself?

 

[MadeToReply]

is there a non pillowed 7x7 because i thought they made it pilliowed so the corners would stay in and now fall out

 

[Kirjava]

I don't know, but I guess someone has made one themself?

So how do you know that people are faster on a pillowed 7x7x7 if no comparison can be properly made?

 

[asportking]

is there a non pillowed 7x7 because i thought they made it pilliowed so the corners would stay in and now fall out

The corners would fall out if the 7x7 was non-proportional (supposedly), but I think it was just pillowed for stability.

 

[Carrot]

The corners would fall out if the 7x7 was non-proportional (supposedly), but I think it was just pillowed for stability.

The simplest way to solve this problem is just to put on some extra plastic on the outer pieces (making the pieces funny sizes)

Kirjava, Because I like pancakes with peanutbutter!

 

[Hershey]

is there a non pillowed 7x7 because i thought they made it pilliowed so the corners would stay in and now fall out

Yes, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBXOFm0GxIQ.

 

[asportking]

The 7x7 is allowed to be pillowed because the only mass-produced 7x7's are pillowed. Sure, it is possible to make a cubic 7x7, but when you have a cube that large, a pillowed version is much easier to hold in one's hands (at least that's what I find).

 

[Carrot]

Sure, it is possible to make a cubic 7x7, but when you have a cube that large, a pillowed version is much easier to hold in one's hands (at least that's what I find).

So it's okay if the puzzle is big? but what if you are a 4 year old kid? the a regular 3x3x3 is pretty huge compared to your hands... should they then be allowed to use pillowed puzzles? or is it just too bad for them?

 

[DavidWoner]

On a serious note, I say they should be allowed because the 777 is allowed. I would prefer they're not allowed because it is an advantage, but the 777 was allowed so it'd be inconsistent not to be.

Ron has said that as soon as cubic 7x7s are widely available, pillowed 7x7s will no longer be legal.

No, but that's because pillowed cubes don't turn as well. Pillowed ZhanChi > ZhanChi if you were used to it.

How can you claim something like this? The pillowed V2 is definitely worse than the regular, and they have the same mech. Like Kir said, pillow cubes suck because they are pillowed. I don't see where the advantage in recognition is, so if someone wants to disadvantage themselves by using a pillowed cube in comp, then let them.

 

[Bob]

If it were up to me, the 7x7 would be illegal. I had this discussion with some delegates not too long ago. Basically, since 7x7 is inconsistent with the regulations, I don't agree it should be an event.

 

[cubeflip]

I don't care. I don't have any pillowed puzzles (except 7x7) and don't plan on getting any even if they are competition legal.

I guess it depends on the delegate. Although I do think there should be a decision made; it would avoid a lot of potential problems.

 

[4EverCuber]

I'm starting to worry about the future state of the cubing community.

I laughed when I read this....

 

[MovingOnUp]

Sticker-less cubes fall into the same category in my opinion. I mean, you can see more stickers, but will you really use it to your advantage? I think that if you can see more of the cube than another person, then it shouldn't be allowed. Even if 99% of people won't try to cheat/use it to their advantage, you will always get those few people, who try to get an unfair advantage.

I think pillowed cubes should be competition-illegal, except for the 7x7, which, I'm kind of neutral on, and wouldn't wind if the pillowed version went competition-illegal, or stayed like how it is now. All rules are there for a reason, and if (like you claim) pillowed cubes except 7x7 are illegal, and sticker-less cubes are illegal, then they shall remain illegal. Even if there is only a slight chance of it being benefited from, it will still eventually be exploited.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

 

[DavidWoner]

I guess it depends on the delegate.

NONONONONONO

It should NEVER depend on the delegate! Delegates are there to enforce the regulations, not to interpret them as they please. If the regulations aren't clear enough to be enforced universally, then they NEED to be rewritten.

 

[Genesis]

Unless they spilt it into another category which only allows pillowed cubes,no.