AustinReed
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Why would they ever do that?
Should pillowed puzzles be allowed for competition use?
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Why would they ever do that?
Tim Major
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So you're saying that the pillowed V-7 is the only allowed pillowed cube at the moment? I've seen a pillowed 6x6 used, as unless you put many hours into modding a V-cube, it sucks, and this pillowed was much better. The delegate allowed it, because you'd assume with the 7x7 being legal, and with the regulations unclear, it would be allowed.
Edit: Read through in hindsight, and it's unclear what I am trying to say.
The regulations should be fixed, as currently their is a big inconsistency. If a cubic 7x7 is made commercially available, Ron wants to make pillowed illegal? Would that make old records invalid? It affects the entire community, and if he didn't like that inconsistency, it never should of been allowed. Would you take the old records away? Or put them in a separate category. What if the cubic 7x7 was awful? The people who used pillowed 7x7s would have a huge advantage.
Edit: Read through in hindsight, and it's unclear what I am trying to say.
The regulations should be fixed, as currently their is a big inconsistency. If a cubic 7x7 is made commercially available, Ron wants to make pillowed illegal? Would that make old records invalid? It affects the entire community, and if he didn't like that inconsistency, it never should of been allowed. Would you take the old records away? Or put them in a separate category. What if the cubic 7x7 was awful? The people who used pillowed 7x7s would have a huge advantage.
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jskyler91
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I agree with this Tim. What is especially important to consider is that world records have been set on the pillowed 7x7, so if nothing else, I feel that pillowed 7x7 MUST remain legal unless we want to hit the rest button on 7x7 which would **** off a lot of people.
I would also like to echo a point which keeps coming up about new mech.What I think this issue and the issue of stickerless cubes truly comes down to is making this decision: do we embrace new tech that may lead to new ways of cubing or do we fight it. As time progresses we are going to be constantly getting better and better cubes which are going to change the dynamic of cubing. Compare a Dayan Cube to a Rubik's Brand, one could easily say that the increased (or any at all) corner cutting gives cubers an unfair advantage. What about reverse corner cutting? Is it fair if someone else doesn't need to complete their turns to do a move, but I do? I would say no it isn't, but yet we don't even challenge these innovations, Why? Because they are not major leaps and so we can accept the. But if you add an entirely new way feature or structure, suddenly it becomes a no-no
I would say the ability to corner cut is the same, if not better, in terms of unfair advantage wise as having a pillowed cube which gives a little bit of a better lookahead. I feel that rather than fight these new innovations, the cubing competition community should embrace this new mech. What is most important is that the new mech doesn't allow for new moves or auto solving or something that gives a literal unfair advantage moves wish. If pillowed cubes make for better and faster cubing then why shouldn't we use them? In my opinion, the issue of pillowed cubes versus non pillowed has the same solution that the issue of allowing different (and by this i mean a range of "goodness" of cubes such that others gain an advantage in having better cubes) types of cubes in the competition i.e. it is up to the cuber to supply themselves with the best type of cube if they wish to truly be the best. Just as Zhanchi makes for way better and faster cubing and thus people buy them, so to will those who wish to be truly fast buy a pillowed cube if it is in fact faster.
Finally, to the comments of upholding the "Cube" portion of the competiton, I would just like to say that I think that mentality will only hold back our community from expanding and becoming more open. What is important is that we are all solving 3x3's with certain restrictions on their movement such that no one has a great advantage move wise. Whether or not your cube is round or cuboid should not matter. Lets not be cubist here.
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LarsN
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I think that neglecting the cube portion will make our community less open. Spectators will not recognize our specialized cubes as rubiks cubes. Just look at profesional archery. The bows they use now a days look like something out of a lovecraft book.
4EverCuber
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Did you by chance mean "Lara Croft"?
irontwig
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Godmil
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I was hoping he was joking, but I had a primal unspeakable fear that he wasn't.
~Adam~
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Yes, they should be allowed. If anyone can use one if they want to then what's the problem?
Bob
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I hope you see the flaws with this line of thinking. If you don't, let me know.
...which is one of the (many) reasons why I did not want 6x6 and 7x7 to become events in the first place. I still think we should add 6x6 and 7x7 to the family of the Rainbow Cube and Siamese cube.
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