HAHA FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT! is america not a great country? think about it. i know its hard for a lot of the kids who are reading this thread, who lived in america all their lives. but america is really a great country. even for LGBT and everyone in between.
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HAHA FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT! is america not a great country? think about it. i know its hard for a lot of the kids who are reading this thread, who lived in america all their lives. but america is really a great country. even for LGBT and everyone in between.
But is that a reason not to try to make things better?
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This. Negativity does not help anything.
according to some random appoximation i found upon googling 'amount of christians in the US' 76% of americans claim to be christian. 307,006,550 people in the US according to the US census. thats 233,324,978 people claiming to be christians. approximately.
its going to take some time. seriously. its not just a scratch and we can put a bandaid on it. when people start going against the word of god, people are bound to revolt against it. and take this with a grain of salt, as not all christians hold the same views on the matter.
and with 2.1 billion christians approx across the world, you do the math.
All you did was provide evidence that it will be hard...
Yet you're arguing that it's pointless to try to make things better, essentially. That we should just leave instead of fighting.
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No, trying to earn more rights and less discrimination against LGBT people in a negative way is.
im going to sleep after this post, but i will respond quickly.
you cannot argue that the activists of the LGBT community are very demanding. they want something like civil rights movement, and their not willing to wait.
it is not pointless to make things better. if you are going to fight for something there is a right way to do it. and there are people out there right now, who are fighting very respectably and i admire them for that.
then there are those who are fighting the wrong way. some people are so blind to the fact of it being such a sensitive situation and that it is hard to solve this situation and not trample on peoples religious beliefs.
im not arguing that its pointless and im not saying to give up and leave. please read what i wrote, you arent reading it. also, when i first made my comment about leaving (which i did mean in a sense) it was in defense to being called cis, straight, ignorant etc. so, speaking to somewhatanon being very forward about how horrible his life was.
im not going to try to defend my point anymore, because my english isnt good enough to convey something without people completely misconstruing it.
you cannot argue that the activists of the LGBT community are very demanding. they want something like civil rights movement, and their not willing to wait.
it is not pointless to make things better. if you are going to fight for something there is a right way to do it. and there are people out there right now, who are fighting very respectably and i admire them for that.
then there are those who are fighting the wrong way. some people are so blind to the fact of it being such a sensitive situation and that it is hard to solve this situation and not trample on peoples religious beliefs.
im not arguing that its pointless and im not saying to give up and leave. please read what i wrote, you arent reading it. also, when i first made my comment about leaving (which i did mean in a sense) it was in defense to being called cis, straight, ignorant etc. so, speaking to somewhatanon being very forward about how horrible his life was.
im not going to try to defend my point anymore, because my english isnt good enough to convey something without people completely misconstruing it.
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Your arguments are nearly nonsensical, because you're (deliberately?) ignoring some very major points:
- Obviously America has some great things, but there are also some serious problems. Wanting to fix them is not wrong and doesn't mean you should go somewhere else. Anything that isn't perfect can be improved.
- Not everyone has the same goals in life. One person might be happy with barely enough money to buy food and no friends, as long as they have enough porn (woo, I'm on topic!). Another might really want respect out of their life and not care about other things. It shows both ignorance and lack of compassion to claim that nobody should dislike their situation once they really think about it.
- For many people, it is impossible to have a decent life in any other country, because moving would be too difficult. Hell, it's hard enough getting a job here where people know your school/language and you have some contacts, good luck finding one in a totally foreign place - and that's even assuming there's a better one out there. How do you know there is?
It really looks like you're being militantly unsympathetic to people who have these problems; if someone doesn't like the situation they're in you'd rather they spend tens of thousands of dollars moving out of the country than actually try to improve their community. I think it is pretty blatantly obvious that this is not the solution.
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1 point by ganley 835 days ago | link
She's done some interesting work... wish the NYT article had focused more on that and less on Rubik's cube.
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6 points by david927 835 days ago | link
I thought it was interesting that her name is Jessica -- that's not a Czech name and there's no equivalent. So I looked her up and she was born George (Jiri) Fridrich. She's a transsexual. (Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just interesting.)
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19 points by DaniFong 835 days ago | link
In general it is considered very rude to out someone without their permission, especially in a professional context. Because it can drag the conversation from the present to the remembered, painful past, it can be quite harmful. Just because you yourself don't believe that there's 'anything wrong with that' doesn't mean that other people won't: especially on the internet, people can be viscous. To take it to Godwin's extreme, it's like outing a Jewish family, which is not out as Jewish, and are not Jewish Activists, in a Nazi controlled state, despite you yourself thinking nothing is wrong with being Jewish. Also, having had a traditionally male name doesn't always mean that someone is trans, there was an article on here just recently about George Oates, who is a woman.
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5 points by david927 834 days ago | link
Wait. That's not quite fair. First, I found out that she's a transexual quite easily and so that can hardly be called "outing" someone. Second, I did think about whether I should write that comment, and I thought by pointing it out I was helping, by saying "Look, this person is amazing and she's also a transexual." It's a push against the stigma.
To go to your Nazi example, I felt I was saying, "Jessie Owens just kicked your ass, and look -- he's black."
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1 point by DaniFong 834 days ago | link
No, unless you did something more than you've said, you found she used to be called Jiri, made an inference, and brought it to a forum that wouldn't have or hadn't discussed it. That's called outing, whether or not someone is publicly out by choice or by accident. If you want to push against stigma, do so with willing participants! They're out there. For example, Lynn Conway is a renown computer engineer, and now an out activist, having come out slowly after more than two decades in stealth.
The point is that being out and trans (or Jewish!) can be painful, challenging, and contentious, and that one should have the choice to live out or not. You don't have the right to choose the social context in which she lives. She does not mention it on her article, she does not mention it in her website, and it have not been substantiated by anything save rumor so far as I have seen. So that is outing, it probably is against her will, and it's rude and insensitive.
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2 points by david927 833 days ago | link
I didn't infer that she was a transexual from the name change; I read it when looking for the name change.
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She's done some interesting work... wish the NYT article had focused more on that and less on Rubik's cube.
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6 points by david927 835 days ago | link
I thought it was interesting that her name is Jessica -- that's not a Czech name and there's no equivalent. So I looked her up and she was born George (Jiri) Fridrich. She's a transsexual. (Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just interesting.)
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19 points by DaniFong 835 days ago | link
In general it is considered very rude to out someone without their permission, especially in a professional context. Because it can drag the conversation from the present to the remembered, painful past, it can be quite harmful. Just because you yourself don't believe that there's 'anything wrong with that' doesn't mean that other people won't: especially on the internet, people can be viscous. To take it to Godwin's extreme, it's like outing a Jewish family, which is not out as Jewish, and are not Jewish Activists, in a Nazi controlled state, despite you yourself thinking nothing is wrong with being Jewish. Also, having had a traditionally male name doesn't always mean that someone is trans, there was an article on here just recently about George Oates, who is a woman.
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5 points by david927 834 days ago | link
Wait. That's not quite fair. First, I found out that she's a transexual quite easily and so that can hardly be called "outing" someone. Second, I did think about whether I should write that comment, and I thought by pointing it out I was helping, by saying "Look, this person is amazing and she's also a transexual." It's a push against the stigma.
To go to your Nazi example, I felt I was saying, "Jessie Owens just kicked your ass, and look -- he's black."
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1 point by DaniFong 834 days ago | link
No, unless you did something more than you've said, you found she used to be called Jiri, made an inference, and brought it to a forum that wouldn't have or hadn't discussed it. That's called outing, whether or not someone is publicly out by choice or by accident. If you want to push against stigma, do so with willing participants! They're out there. For example, Lynn Conway is a renown computer engineer, and now an out activist, having come out slowly after more than two decades in stealth.
The point is that being out and trans (or Jewish!) can be painful, challenging, and contentious, and that one should have the choice to live out or not. You don't have the right to choose the social context in which she lives. She does not mention it on her article, she does not mention it in her website, and it have not been substantiated by anything save rumor so far as I have seen. So that is outing, it probably is against her will, and it's rude and insensitive.
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2 points by david927 833 days ago | link
I didn't infer that she was a transexual from the name change; I read it when looking for the name change.
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Can somebody please confirm that Jessica Fridrich is in fact a transsexual? I'm sorry...last thread about this was fishy, and I trust you Mr. Guimond, but sometimes your points are a little hard to follow.
Sidenote: I consider myself christian because I believe in the morals of christ but do not necissarily like organized religion a lot because I believe it's not what it's all about.
And yes. Telling people to leave a country which is all about freedom because they themselves are being intolerant is absolutely stupid in this day and age.
Sidenote: I consider myself christian because I believe in the morals of christ but do not necissarily like organized religion a lot because I believe it's not what it's all about.
And yes. Telling people to leave a country which is all about freedom because they themselves are being intolerant is absolutely stupid in this day and age.
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You do know that everyone thinks you are crazy right? Like actual crazy, not just like "heh that guys' nuts" type crazy.
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I don't think he is crazy. More along the lines on of passion of the abstract.
it is obvious that there are serious problems. wanting to fix them is not wrong and it doesnt mean you need to go elsewhere. not trying to find a sensible soultion is nonsensical. the solution is going to be, at first, a compromise, then once the roaring water has settled, a new compromise is made. which is the path that america has followed for many years on the subject. it is when we try to push to hard and to quickly that the opposition is much more evident. sure, theres going to be people who oppose no matter what, but its only going to be easier if it is done in the right way. im not saying that everyone should move out of the country, just that it is an option. . if you cannot live your life the way you want in america, well, spend tens of thousands of dollars to move. what is money compared to your quality of life? you can have all the money in the world and it would mean nothing if you cant live the way you want. noone read any of my posts correctly.
not everyone has the same goals in life. true. it is ignorant to think that noone should dislike their situation. noones life is perfect, kid. its what you make of it. plain and simple. if you dislike your situation, it depends on how much of a toll it takes on your quality of life. if you live day to day with the same results everyday, you do nothing, and you wake up tomorrow and expect everything to be different? how naive.
it is not impossilbe to have a decent life in another country. i'm living proof of that. it was difficult for me to find a good job, but i found a job. i work hard and i work with integrity. it has taken me far. maybe not everyone is so 'lucky' as i am, but my life is not exactly a slice of pie with cherries on top. if my quality of life was so horrible, i'd try to find any way to fix it. if nothing worked, maybe a last ditch effort would be to leave the country, but it is a solution. something would have to bother me a whole hell of a lot to have me leave a country. but i guarantee that i would be able to find a more sensible solution to how to fix my situation and quality of life before that became the only option. and by no means am i saying, you should be straight it would fix all your 'problems', but what i'm saying is that most of the 'problems' arent going to magically fix themselves overnight, and so find ways to live your life happily within your own means.
edit: what i think is so funny about this thread is that noone has done any kind of actual research. ask your parents. ask your grandparents. what was acceptable back then? look at where we are now. its funny how things go from OMFGWTF to semi-ok in a matter of 30 years. you cannot say there hasnt been significant progress.
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Random thought from one of your older posts...
Christianity is not the only religion that a good chunk of its population stands against stuff like this.
There are a LOT less tolerant religions out there also...
Yes, we have come a long way in the past 50+ years. But that's also like saying we've almost racially integrated schools. It's like they almost have full rights.
Almost is not good enough.
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Musicninja, being a Christian also means believing in the bible pretty much 100%. It's the words of the one you've given your life to. The bible says pretty much outright that gay acts are displeasing to him and will be punished (it's a sin). When you claim to be a Christian, you can't really argue against it.
Not impeding on your beliefs, just saying what I think about your post.
almost is better than nothing. and the christianity numbers were in reference to the morals of america being tied to that SPECIFIC religion.
i seriously think people dont read and just post random stuff out of context.
your comment about telling people who live in a country screaming freedom to leave the country is stupid. well, you should re-learn what america is about. the term freedom is skewed. there was freedom, and slavery. there is freedom, and religion. there is really no true freedom in the sense of the term you are speaking about. so, its not stupid. is america capable of becoming free in that sense? probably not. only because there are views of the majority and america runs on a pseudo-democracy. so, dont hold your breath.
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Nice, even the hairlines match up. When did she change gender?
Also:
http://www.thepublicvoid.com/cube/g/cube-DanMirekJessica.jpg
So who does the "most influential female in cubing history" title go to now? Or am I just being narrow minded?
2nd...I skip his posts, they give me a high blood pressure...
Nice, even the hairlines match up. When did she change gender?
Also:
http://www.thepublicvoid.com/cube/g/cube-DanMirekJessica.jpg
So who does the "most influential female in cubing history" title go to now? Or am I just being narrow minded?
2nd...I skip his posts, they give me a high blood pressure...
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Anneke Treep perhups?
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