Seven Towns Infringement on eBay - All of EU

[biscuit]

I believe the International Olympic Committee would beg to differ. The World Chess Federation (FIDE) is one of the largest sports federations in the world, and is officially recognized by the IOC as a sports federation. ( See http://www.olympic.org/chess ) Given this fact, I see no reason to think that cubing is not a sport. The problem with the definition of "sport" that you are using is that it's too narrow. Most words have multiple meanings. By way of analogy, the term "meat" can mean specifically mammal flesh, but in another sense it can also refer to poultry, nuts, fruit, and a variety of other things. (Just trying to get to the meat of the issue. )

The definition I used is the first result that I got. I didn't have to dig for it. I tried to find a definition that doesn't require it to be physically taxing. Let's face it. Cubing does NOT take a ton of energy. It's not physically hard it's not a sport.

And no chess is not a sport. Period.

 

[Logiqx]

I'm about to go on a trip to Europe. Should I be worried about bringing my cubes? Is there a chance that they will be confiscated/destroyed?

I've been flying in and out of the UK with cubes in my hand luggage and hold luggage several times this year.

The last time was just a week ago so I wouldn't expect any problems.

 

[Ross The Boss]

And no chess is not a sport. Period.

well how about you get off your period and become a bit more open minded... and speaking of minds, there is a category of sport dubbed "mind sports." basically, these are sports whose exertion is more cognitive than physical. FMC and chess fall into this category of sport. as for speed solving, i would consider that a sport in the traditional, non mind way. consider the huge amount of muscles required in a speed solve. i think its fair to say that every, or almost every, hand and finger muscle is used during a speedsolve as well as some controlling the wrists. additionally, these muscles arent just chilling out the whole time. they are getting a great work out. it is just that the skill of the cuber usually improves along with his finger speed so the effort exerted wont be as noticeable. though it is noticeable in cases where a cuber does a bunch of OH solves after a while of neglecting that event or when someone like me does 7x7: my lookahead and recognition are more advanced than the required muscles are conditioned.

 

[biscuit]

well how about you get off your period and become a bit more open minded... and speaking of minds, there is a category of sport dubbed "mind sports." basically, these are sports whose exertion is more cognitive than physical. FMC and chess fall into this category of sport. as for speed solving, i would consider that a sport in the traditional, non mind way. consider the huge amount of muscles required in a speed solve. i think its fair to say that every, or almost every, hand and finger muscle is used during a speedsolve as well as some controlling the wrists. additionally, these muscles arent just chilling out the whole time. they are getting a great work out. it is just that the skill of the cuber usually improves along with his finger speed so the effort exerted wont be as noticeable. though it is noticeable in cases where a cuber does a bunch of OH solves after a while of neglecting that event or when someone like me does 7x7: my lookahead and recognition are more advanced than the required muscles are conditioned.

I would disagree that your fingers/hand get a good work out (unless you're using a rubik's brand). I'm fine with calling chess and speedcubing a mental sport but it does not take a lot of energy to do and it's not physically hard. Maybe I am being a bit close minded but I just don's see any way that you can argue that speedcubing or chess is a sport by the traditional definition.

 

[cashis]

I would disagree that your fingers/hand get a good work out (unless you're using a rubik's brand). I'm fine with calling chess and speedcubing a mental sport but it does not take a lot of energy to do and it's not physically hard. Maybe I am being a bit close minded but I just don's see any way that you can argue that speedcubing or chess is a sport by the traditional definition.

Have you ever done more than 50 OH solves?

 

[biscuit]

Have you ever done more than 50 OH solves?

at a time no. Reading through the post again I saw his comment on OH. That's a good point. This is not covered by any definition which I can find (and people may call me a hypocrite for this) but I think it should require your entire (or at least most of your) body to be tired to be considered a sport. Yes with a lot of OH solves your HAND can become tired/begin hurting but the rest of the body? Not so much

 

[2180161]

Have you ever done more than 50 OH solves?

No, but I imagine it does get quite tiring.

 

[cashis]

at a time no. Reading through the post again I saw his comment on OH. That's a good point. This is not covered by any definition which I can find (and people may call me a hypocrite for this) but I think it should require your entire (or at least most of your) body to be tired to be considered a sport. Yes with a lot of OH solves your HAND can become tired/begin hurting but the rest of the body? Not so much

Well with soccer your legs only get worked out. In American football, the kicker is only used a few times a game and he still plays a sport. Point being, there are not requirements for how much of your body a "sport" uses. You can have whatever opinion you want, but saying cubing doesnt exercise muscles that other sports dont is incorrect.

Tldr; sport is a loose term and opinionated, but cubing definitely requires strenuous activity on certain body and mental functions.

 

[qqwref]

IMO: Cubing is a sport in the sense that chess, archery, golf, mind sports, etc. are sports, but it is not an athletic activity, and a lot of the time (but not all) that is what people mean by the word sport. Cubing shares some aspects with big-name sports like football, soccer, and American football, but not all.

For what it's worth:

"Sport" comes from the Old French desport meaning "leisure", with the oldest definition in English from around 1300 being "anything humans find amusing or entertaining".

Other meanings include gambling and events staged for the purpose of gambling; hunting; and games and diversions, including ones that require exercise. Roget's defines the noun sport as an "activity engaged in for relaxation and amusement" with synonyms including diversion and recreation.

 

[molarmanful]

Man, we're really off topic.

Any developments in terms of Seven Towns? New policies, rules, court cases, etc.?

 

[biscuit]

Man, we're really off topic.

What makes you think that?

 

[TomasCZ]

Hi, I recently ordered MoyuHualong, does this mean it's gonna be destroyed by the customs ?

 

[MarcelP]

Hi, I recently ordered MoyuHualong, does this mean it's gonna be destroyed by the customs ?

I highly doubt customs will do anything about small packages containing cubes. I just ordered some cubes full with confident

 

[tseitsei]

Hi, I recently ordered MoyuHualong, does this mean it's gonna be destroyed by the customs ?

Probably no. Most shops I have ordered from just write something like "gifts" on the top of the box and customs have no way of checking every package that travels through them...

 

[Eduard Khil]

Yay so cubezz and lightake gets all the 3x3 market share from EU

 

[Petro Leum]

why are seven towns doing this? how does it aid their business?

as i see it up to this point, nobody is every going to use rubiks products for speedcubing, rubiks products are still frequently bought by non-cubers, and all this trouble just gets them alot of bad credit.

 

[Tony Fisher]

honestly don't agree that cubing is a sport. It's a competitive activity but not a sport. Here is the definition I found on "sport"

An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

I guess you COULD argue that you are exerting your fingers but is any one actually going to argue that it is physically challenging to cube for a long period of time? (And then there is chess... I love you chess but your NOT a sport)

Then please explain how 50 metre rifle prone is a sport and has been in the Olympics since 1912.

 

[~Adam~]

...I'm pretty sure Erno Rubik was not the first to think of a solid cube divided into 3 layers on each axis. The Soma cube is a 3x3x3 take-apart puzzle developed in 1933, and is often produced in ways which emphasize the 27 cubes and not the individual pieces. Here is an old one in dark wood that could just as easily be an unstickered wooden Rubik's Cube.

So the patent now extends to an unstickered cube which visually has been produced before the Rubik's cube.

Surely that's evidence enough to overthrow the court decision?


It seems ridiculous that Seven Towns gets so much free advertising from the cubing community who don't use their products because they are unsuitable for our needs. Do they seriously not understand how much more their business would be effected by the cubing community disappearing than by 'KO' speedcubes being sold?


I'm in contact with a Seven Town's representative because they supply medals for comps in the UK. I wonder if they would still seize packages if I had them sent to her work address then collected them.

Just a bunch of thoughts. Sorry they are so disconnected.


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[supercavitation]

I'm in contact with a Seven Town's representative because they supply medals for comps in the UK. I wonder if they would still seize packages if I had them sent to her work address then collected them.

Assuming it wouldn't get anyone in trouble or fired, please, please, please try this.

 

[Petro Leum]

Assuming it wouldn't get anyone in trouble or fired, please, please, please try this.

Assuming it would, omg PLEASE try this