Road to maining APB !

[Fred]

I want to implement CP into APB, but dont really know how (this is cause itll help in the long run as i wont have to learn full ZBLL, and only 2GLL).

Some ideas I had was after EO was to use a subset of LXS that solves the DR edge and permutes the DFR corner, allowing for 18 algs from CPLS that does CP and last slot.

This is probably good for OH but idk.

Should i try this or should i stick with the standard way and learn ZBLL, assuming i get to a point where thats necessary.

CEOR is another Petrus variant that's used for OH. You solve corner permutation with first block, then do R, U, and slice moves in the rest of the solve to end up with a 2GLL. You can combine this start with APB, but you'll have to adjust some APB algs to preserve corner permutation (eg no F moves for solving EO). Another variant is Epidote, which solves corner permutation later in the solve, but also ends in 2GLL.

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Yeah i tried CEOR but hated the YruRU tracing.

CEOR is another Petrus variant that's used for OH. You solve corner permutation with first block, then do R, U, and slice moves in the rest of the solve to end up with a 2GLL. You can combine this start with APB, but you'll have to adjust some APB algs to preserve corner permutation (eg no F moves for solving EO). Another variant is Epidote, which solves corner permutation later in the solve, but also ends in 2GLL.

i might try Epidote tho.

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Yayayaya Generated by CubeDesk on 2025-09-02
best session 3x3 average of 5: 21.062

Solves:
5. 20.852 D' L2 F2 U' B2 D' F2 R2 U2 R2 U' F2 L' D2 U2 B' R D U2 B2 F
4. 19.016 L B2 L B2 L U2 L' U2 F2 L B2 L' U B2 F2 L B2 F L R F
3. 23.211 L2 D L2 U R2 D' F2 U F2 U' L2 R2 B R' F D' R2 F' D2 R2 D2 L'
2. 22.320 F2 R' F2 U2 R F2 D2 R' U2 L2 D2 L D' B2 F2 L' U F L' D' F L2
1. 20.016 U2 F2 R2 U R2 D' L2 F2 U' R2 B U2 F' U L' R' D2 R' U' R'

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Wth i might be sub 25 in a week

Generated by CubeDesk on 2025-09-02
current session 3x3 average of 100: 25.094

Solves:
1. 28.078 B2 U' B2 D' F2 L2 B2 D2 B2 U L2 F2 L' B' D2 U R F U L B U2
2. 24.688 R' F2 U' F' B2 R' F D' B' D L2 U2 R2 U B2 D' L2 F2 R2 U2 L2
3. 29.984 U' B' L' D' F' B2 L' D B U2 R' B2 R' U2 R' U2 L F2 L2 D2 F2
4. 20.922 F2 D' B2 D F2 R2 U B2 U B2 U' F R' U' R2 F R2 U2 F'
5. 23.148 L2 D F2 U B2 R2 U' L2 U2 R2 B2 U L B' L2 F D2 L' F2 D B2 R
6. 24.570 L2 F2 D R2 U F2 L2 F2 D2 U' R2 U2 B D2 F' D R U B' F2 L2 R'
7. 21.383+ D2 B2 D2 R2 D' L2 U L2 U' B2 F L2 U2 F U' F2 L' D2 B
8. 26.188 U' R2 U2 L2 F2 R2 D B2 D' L2 B2 U' L F' L B U' R' U L2 B R'
9. 27.148 R2 B' L2 D2 L2 B L2 B D2 F' U2 B R U2 B F D F' D F' U
10. 23.406 R2 B2 U L2 D2 F2 D F2 U2 B2 U B2 F' R' D' F U F2 L' B' R B2
11. 18.352 F' U' B R' D' F2 L U2 F B2 U' L2 B2 D R2 D F2 U2 B2 R2 D2
12. 22.211 D2 B2 L2 R2 D F2 L2 R2 F2 R2 U B' U F D' F R' B2 F' R2
13. 26.406 R2 D L2 B2 D2 U L2 D2 B2 U' B2 U' L' D2 U2 F U2 L B2 R2 B2 U
14. 37.102 F2 U' R2 B2 F2 D L2 U' L2 U' F2 R2 B' R' F L2 R' D' R2 F' L
15. 31.477 L2 U F2 D F2 L2 B2 U' L2 D' F2 U2 B' D L B2 D' F D L R' D
16. 32.391 D2 L2 B R2 F' L2 B' U2 L2 U2 B U2 L U2 L2 B2 F R2 D U R' F
17. 22.664 D' L' F2 L U2 F L' U' F R2 L2 B2 U' F2 D2 L2 F2 D2 L2 D R2
18. 23.031 F L' U L' U' B' R D' B' R' D2 B2 L D2 B2 U2 L B2 R U2 L2
19. 25.789 U2 F2 R2 D B2 U2 F2 U' B2 L2 U' B2 F U2 R2 D' R' F2 D' L' F'
20. 21.289 L2 B2 D' L2 U B2 F2 L2 R2 D' L2 R2 B R' U2 F2 R' D' L' B' R2 U
21. 24.625 F2 U R2 B2 U' B2 U' L2 B2 U' L2 B2 R' F' U2 F L2 B' R' F R2 U'
22. 24.297 R2 D U2 R2 D' L2 B2 D' B2 L2 B2 L2 R' F' U' R' U2 F' R B' R'
23. 25.550 R2 B2 L2 U2 B2 D L2 U' L2 B2 U R2 F D B R2 D F U2 R B' F
24. 22.500 U' B2 D L2 D2 B2 R2 F2 U F2 L2 U2 B' R U L' U2 R2 F' R' D2 U
25. 26.422 B U2 B F2 D2 B' L2 B' U2 F' L2 U2 L' B' D' R U2 L2 D2 B U R2
26. 25.461 B2 U2 R2 U2 F R2 B L2 B' R2 F U2 R B L2 F2 D F U B' R' U2
27. 26.203 D B2 F2 U B2 D' R2 U2 F2 U' R2 U F' R D2 L U' B2 D' F2 L' F
28. 22.273 L2 R2 F2 D' B2 R2 D' R2 D L2 D B2 L B' D R' U B2 F' D2 L' F2
29. 17.727 U2 R2 D2 F2 D2 L' F2 L U2 L' R' B2 D' F' R' D B U L' D' F
30. 27.203 D B2 U' B2 F2 R2 U L2 B2 U B2 F2 L' U B D' U2 F U' R D2
31. 26.617 L2 F U R2 B L' D F D2 F2 R B2 L D2 R2 L' D2 L F2 B2
32. 18.188 R2 D2 R' L U2 D' F' U' L D L2 D R2 U2 L2 F2 D2 R2 B2 D2 L2
33. 27.383 D' B2 D R2 F2 L2 U' F2 D F2 D B R2 F' D2 L U B D' U2 B'
34. 24.859 R2 F R2 F' D2 U2 F L2 F L2 B2 D2 L' U' F2 L' B' L' D R2 B' F2
35. 27.758 D2 B' L2 D' R' D2 R2 F R' U2 L2 D' L2 B2 R2 D2 F2 U' B2 R2 U'
36. 20.016 U2 F2 R2 U R2 D' L2 F2 U' R2 B U2 F' U L' R' D2 R' U' R'
37. 22.320 F2 R' F2 U2 R F2 D2 R' U2 L2 D2 L D' B2 F2 L' U F L' D' F L2
38. 23.211 L2 D L2 U R2 D' F2 U F2 U' L2 R2 B R' F D' R2 F' D2 R2 D2 L'
39. 19.016 L B2 L B2 L U2 L' U2 F2 L B2 L' U B2 F2 L B2 F L R F
40. 20.852 D' L2 F2 U' B2 D' F2 R2 U2 R2 U' F2 L' D2 U2 B' R D U2 B2 F
41. 25.039+ U' R2 F2 D B2 U2 F2 R2 D' L2 F2 U' F L B2 U F U F2 D2 L2
42. 29.117 U B2 L2 D' R2 F2 U2 B2 F2 R2 U2 L' U F' D2 F' U L B L' B'
43. 30.766 U2 R2 F2 L2 U B2 F2 L2 U F2 D' U2 L' B2 F2 U' B' F2 D U R2
44. 23.039 U2 B2 F2 L2 D' L2 F2 U L2 U' R2 U F U F2 L2 U R' D2 L' U R'
45. 29.328 U' F2 U L2 F U' B2 D' R2 B2 R' B2 R' D2 L2 B2 U2 B2 U2 R'
46. 30.898 F U2 B' R2 B' D2 F' D2 U2 B U2 F L U' R D' R2 B' D B2 U2 F
47. 29.961 L2 R2 B2 U R2 D B2 D2 F2 D R2 U' B L2 D' F L D' F' L' R' F'
48. 28.375+ L2 B2 D2 U2 R2 B F2 D2 F U' B2 U' L' D F L R2 F
49. 30.742 L2 D U R2 D L2 U B2 L2 D R2 B2 F D L' B2 D' R2 B' R2 B2 F2
50. 22.648 D2 B2 L2 F2 R B2 U2 L R2 B2 R2 D' L F' U' L' U' L2 B' D
51. 17.938 R2 D2 B2 U2 B' U2 F' U2 B2 U2 F' U2 L' B L' D F' D' L' D U
52. 24.688 D2 R' U L2 U R2 B' U2 R F2 B2 R2 U2 D R2 D2 R2 F2 B2 D R2
53. 23.344 B U' D R D2 R' U' F L2 U F2 D' R2 D L2 B2 R2 F2 U' B2
54. 23.617 L2 R2 U F2 R2 D2 L2 D B2 U' R2 F' R' B U B' D F' R' B D
55. 24.016 U2 L2 R2 B2 L2 U' B2 R2 U B2 U L' U R F D R2 B L' B'
56. 23.023 D R2 B' R L' U2 L2 B' R L2 F B2 D2 L2 F' D2 R2 B' U2 F2 R2
57. 26.922 B2 U2 B2 L2 D2 U2 R B2 D2 L F' R' U' F2 L' D' R2 F R'
58. 24.398 F2 U B2 D' R2 D2 U' F2 R2 U R2 F L R' U B R2 B2 R' D' F2
59. 22.609 R' F' U L U R' B' D R F2 D' R2 F2 R2 L2 D2 F2 R2 D R2 U
60. 24.344 R B2 D2 L' R' F2 R B2 U2 B2 D2 U2 B' R' B2 F' L F R' U' B'
61. 24.703 U2 L2 D' B2 U' B2 R2 U R2 D' F2 U L B2 F2 U R' U L B U' L
62. 31.180 D' F2 L2 B2 U' F2 D2 F2 U' R2 U R2 F D B' F' R2 D L' F2 D2 L2
63. 22.930 F' R' D' F2 U2 R' L' D' B R' B2 R F2 L U2 R' U2 R2 B2 D2
64. 22.492 F D2 F U2 F D2 B2 L2 U2 L2 F D2 R' D' L2 R2 B2 L U2 B D' B2
65. 30.531+ B2 R U2 L' R2 U2 R' D2 B2 D' F' D' U' R B' U R2
66. 29.047 F2 U2 R2 B2 D' F2 R2 D F2 D' B2 U' L' B D2 U F' R B R B2
67. 32.000 F2 D R2 D U2 R2 U' F2 L2 R2 U B L' F' D2 F2 L B' F D2 U'
68. 27.016 D2 F2 L2 B2 U' F2 D' L2 U' L2 B2 F2 L' B' F2 L' U2 L' B F D U
69. 20.063 B2 D2 B2 D' R2 F2 L2 F2 U' L2 D' F' D' L2 U2 B2 F' D L B' R'
70. 30.102 F2 L2 B' U L D2 B' U2 R U2 B2 U' R2 L2 U' F2 L2 U R2 U'
71. 18.866 U2 F2 D R U' B L2 F2 D R B2 R F2 R B2 D2 L' F2 U2 R2 L'
72. 43.469 L2 B2 R2 F' L2 U2 B U2 B' L2 F2 U2 L' D2 L U' L' F2 L' B L'
73. 25.133 U' B2 D F2 D' L2 D2 B2 L2 D R2 U' F L U2 B2 L' B2 D' U' R F2
74. 22.523 U R2 D R2 D' L2 B2 D' L2 B2 R2 U' B' D' F U L' U' L' B' F2 U'
75. DNF U2 F2 B L' B2 U2 R D L D2 F2 R2 F2 B2 D F2 B2 L2 U B2 D'
76. 27.453 U D2 B D' R' L2 U R' D2 F2 R2 F' D2 F' L2 U2 L2 B D2 B
77. 24.550 F2 L2 R2 U B2 U B2 U L2 R2 U' L2 B' L D' U R2 U2 B F L U
78. 23.203 U' R2 B2 L2 D R2 D' F2 R2 U R2 D2 F' R B F2 D' F' U2 L U2 F
79. 28.313+ U2 F U2 F D2 R2 D2 B R2 F' R2 B U' F R F2 L D2 U2 B2
80. 26.328 F2 R' D2 B' R' F' D2 B' L F2 U2 F2 U2 L2 B2 U' L2 B2 U R2 D2
81. 27.969 R2 U2 L' B2 L D2 R U2 B2 R2 F2 R' U B2 F U2 L2 B' R' U' R
82. 24.617 R2 F2 D2 L2 F2 L D2 L2 R' U2 B2 F R' U L' U2 F' L2 D F'
83. 22.961 R2 U2 F2 L B2 F2 R U2 R' B2 D2 R' B U' R' F2 U' R2 B' U' F U2
84. 24.273 D2 B2 L2 U R2 U2 R2 F2 R2 F2 D L2 B R' D L2 B D' R2 D' F'
85. 23.242 D2 B' D2 F L2 B F2 D2 R2 D2 L2 B2 L' U' B D' B D' R B L
86. 22.547 B2 L2 U R2 F2 L2 U R2 U2 F2 R2 B' D L D2 B L' D2 R' F D'
87. 23.758 R2 U B2 L2 D' L2 R2 F2 U' B2 L' F' R U B' R' D L B2 D'
88. 28.250 D2 F2 D B2 R2 D2 R2 D' F2 D' L2 U B D2 L' B2 F' L2 D U' B R2
89. 18.953 R2 D2 R2 B' L2 F2 L2 R2 F U2 B F' L' R' F' L2 U' L2 D F2 U2
90. 22.289 U2 R2 D2 B2 F' U2 R2 F' L2 B R' U F' R2 U F L2 U' L F
91. 26.234 R2 B2 D2 B2 D' L2 D L2 D' F2 L2 D2 B' U R' F D L2 B L' R' B
92. 18.539 F2 R' B2 R U2 R' F2 U2 R2 U2 R B2 U' L2 R F2 D' L2 D' F' U
93. 21.383 L D B' D R U F' L2 D F2 U2 F2 R D2 L U2 R D2 L U2 R2
94. 20.797 D2 L B2 L D2 F2 U2 R' U2 F2 R' U2 F L' B F2 L' D' U2 R' D2
95. 26.344 F' U2 B L F2 U D' L' D F' U2 F B2 U2 F2 D2 L2 F2 R2 B' L2
96. 28.531 L' B U' D2 L' U' F D R' U2 L2 F' L2 F R2 L2 U2 F R2 B2 L2
97. 22.375 B2 D2 B2 R2 D' F2 D' U' F2 L2 U L2 B' L D U B U B L R
98. 25.195 U' F2 D' R2 B2 U2 L2 B2 D' B2 U' R2 B R D F R B2 U2 F L2 R'
99. 26.719 R2 F2 L2 D U F2 D L2 R2 B2 U' R2 B' R2 D' L2 U2 R' B F2 U
100. 31.820 F2 D2 L2 U' B2 U L2 D' F2 D L2 D' L' B2 D' R2 D' F' R2 B2 R'


Insane.

All i did today is spam solves, tmrw ima work on ls solutions instead of pair creation for eo pair.

 

[Adm_cb]

I want to implement CP into APB, but dont really know how (this is cause itll help in the long run as i wont have to learn full ZBLL, and only 2GLL).

Some ideas I had was after EO was to use a subset of LXS that solves the DR edge and permutes the DFR corner, allowing for 18 algs from CPLS that does CP and last slot.

This is probably good for OH but idk.

Should i try this or should i stick with the standard way and learn ZBLL, assuming i get to a point where thats necessary.

What is the difference between 2gll cp (is it some coll or what?)

 

[AJT17]

What is the difference between 2gll cp (is it some coll or what?)

Doing CP, Corner Permutation, solves the corners in a way that they don't need any moves other than RU. This allows for 2GLL, which only needs RU moves to solve and is a subset of ZBLL and only requires 84 algs so it's a lot more manageable to learn compared to the full 493 ZBLL algs. But it lacks in recognition because you need to look at the corners and how they are in relation to each other, which isn't difficult just slower than doing a normal alg into ZB.
It differs from COLL because it doesn't worry if the corners are solved with yellow on top, it only cares about solving their permutation. This allows for only 2? algs to be used to solve the CP for example after solving F2L, since you either do an adjacent swap, like a T perm, or a diag swap, like a Y perm, or you have solved CP and don't need to do anything, then you can do 2GLL afterwards. That is really inefficient though since doing a PLL to solve CP takes a lot of moves compared to dedicated algs that can do it for way fewer moves or different ways to solve CP and another step like CEOR that does it at the start, or Epidote that does it while solving the last two edges. Doing CP like this makes it a lot better since you can do multiple things with one alg, but it also adds complexity and most people don't try to get good with it, or are just slower with it, but it can be really fun to do if you just want to use 2GLL and not worry about speed.

 

[Adm_cb]

Doing CP, Corner Permutation, solves the corners in a way that they don't need any moves other than RU. This allows for 2GLL, which only needs RU moves to solve and is a subset of ZBLL and only requires 84 algs so it's a lot more manageable to learn compared to the full 493 ZBLL algs. But it lacks in recognition because you need to look at the corners and how they are in relation to each other, which isn't difficult just slower than doing a normal alg into ZB.
It differs from COLL because it doesn't worry if the corners are solved with yellow on top, it only cares about solving their permutation. This allows for only 2? algs to be used to solve the CP for example after solving F2L, since you either do an adjacent swap, like a T perm, or a diag swap, like a Y perm, or you have solved CP and don't need to do anything, then you can do 2GLL afterwards. That is really inefficient though since doing a PLL to solve CP takes a lot of moves compared to dedicated algs that can do it for way fewer moves or different ways to solve CP and another step like CEOR that does it at the start, or Epidote that does it while solving the last two edges. Doing CP like this makes it a lot better since you can do multiple things with one alg, but it also adds complexity and most people don't try to get good with it, or are just slower with it, but it can be really fun to do if you just want to use 2GLL and not worry about speed.

Thx

 

[That0newe1rdo]

OMG OMG OMG I LOVE APB SO MUCH

(This is pb by more then 2 seconds, plus my first sub 15)

Edit :

Its also sub CFOP pb ao5 which is great, and also in what i call an insane solve when i used cfop.

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Last slot is going well, and i got these averages of 5 today !

Generated by CubeDesk on 2025-09-06
current session 3x3 average of 5: 19.192

Solves:
5. 19.234 B2 D R2 F2 L2 D2 R2 D' L2 D' F2 D R' B D U2 B2 L B R B
4. 21.422 U2 R2 U F2 L2 R2 D' B2 L2 R2 D' R2 F' R' F2 L D' U R2 U2 L'
3. 22.523 F2 R U2 L' D2 F2 R' B2 L2 U2 F2 L F' U B F R2 F' L U B2 R2
2. 15.383 D' R2 D2 F2 L2 F2 U' B2 D2 R2 U2 L' B R U' R' F2 R B' D2 U2
1. 16.922 D F2 U F2 U' B2 D L2 D B2 L2 U2 L' F' D2 L' B2 R F' L R'

This was my first sub 20 ao5 !!!

And my pb ao5 (with apb)

Generated by CubeDesk on 2025-09-06
current session 3x3 average of 5: 18.841

Solves:
5. 17.352 L2 B2 U' B2 D' B2 R2 D R2 D2 R2 D R' D B2 L D' F2 R2 D2 B'
4. 18.828 D' L2 U' R2 U L2 D U F2 L2 U R' F U' F' D' F R U F2
3. 27.690 L2 R2 U' F2 U' B2 L2 D F2 U B2 U' L B D' L' F' R' U B' L' B2
2. 19.945 B D2 B D2 F U2 F' R2 F' L2 F U2 R F' D' L B L2 B L'
1. 17.750 L2 U2 B U2 R2 B F U2 F' U2 R2 F R' B' L2 U' B' U2 F D F U'

 

[Adm_cb]

Last slot is going well, and i got these averages of 5 today !

Generated by CubeDesk on 2025-09-06
current session 3x3 average of 5: 19.192

Solves:
5. 19.234 B2 D R2 F2 L2 D2 R2 D' L2 D' F2 D R' B D U2 B2 L B R B
4. 21.422 U2 R2 U F2 L2 R2 D' B2 L2 R2 D' R2 F' R' F2 L D' U R2 U2 L'
3. 22.523 F2 R U2 L' D2 F2 R' B2 L2 U2 F2 L F' U B F R2 F' L U B2 R2
2. 15.383 D' R2 D2 F2 L2 F2 U' B2 D2 R2 U2 L' B R U' R' F2 R B' D2 U2
1. 16.922 D F2 U F2 U' B2 D L2 D B2 L2 U2 L' F' D2 L' B2 R F' L R'

This was my first sub 20 ao5 !!!

And my pb ao5 (with apb)

Generated by CubeDesk on 2025-09-06
current session 3x3 average of 5: 18.841

Solves:
5. 17.352 L2 B2 U' B2 D' B2 R2 D R2 D2 R2 D R' D B2 L D' F2 R2 D2 B'
4. 18.828 D' L2 U' R2 U L2 D U F2 L2 U R' F U' F' D' F R U F2
3. 27.690 L2 R2 U' F2 U' B2 L2 D F2 U B2 U' L B D' L' F' R' U B' L' B2
2. 19.945 B D2 B D2 F U2 F' R2 F' L2 F U2 R F' D' L B L2 B L'
1. 17.750 L2 U2 B U2 R2 B F U2 F' U2 R2 F R' B' L2 U' B' U2 F D F U'

Gg you are getting better

 

[That0newe1rdo]

omg my 2nd ever sub 15 with apb - 14.906

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

omg my 2nd ever sub 15 with apb - 14.906

I swear you have a 99% chance of becoming the WB holder if you improve at this pace

 

[That0newe1rdo]

I swear you have a 99% chance of becoming the WB holder if you improve at this pace

WB is sub 6 right ? Thats never happening.

 

[AJT17]

WB is sub 6 right ? Thats never happening.

Yeah WB is 4.63, just a bit lower than sub 6

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Yeah WB is 4.63, just a bit lower than sub 6

@Caleb Valenzuela r u sure ill be wb holder.

I think at most ill get sub 12 with apb

 

[AJT17]

@Caleb Valenzuela r u sure ill be wb holder.

I think at most ill get sub 12 with apb

Unless you wanna go for OH WB, then it's only 9.27!
please I need some competition! It's so lonely!

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Unless you wanna go for OH WB, then it's only 9.27!
please I need some competition! It's so lonely!

Might go for it eventually.
Not intreseted in oh rn, maybe next month cause i think im doing oh for a month then

 

[Thomas.Caleb]

Also unless you average better on abp than cfop please don't use it officially

 

[AJT17]

Also unless you average better on abp than cfop please don't use it officially

Unless you don't care about good results, or have extra rounds you want to try it with.
It's really personal preference though, but I have started using APB in my first 3x3 round and CFOP in R2 and R3 so I can get a mix of both.

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

@Caleb Valenzuela r u sure ill be wb holder.

I think at most ill get sub 12 with apb

dream big and go for it my guy

being APB WB holder is way less ambitious than my goals (3x3 world champion)