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Yes, that is a possible stance. A popular one as well. And, of course
, one I disagree with.
Religion?
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Yes, that is a possible stance. A popular one as well. And, of course
, one I disagree with.Cube-Fu
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For views and sources of the existence of Jesus, check the Nag Hammadi scrolls (gnostic testaments) the council of Nicaea, the bloodline of Soloman, and all the references in other religious writings, namely the Qu'ran etc. But remember, nobody alive speaks the language anymore (Aramaic mostly) so take the translations with a pinch of salt; for me, I think he did exist, but as you'll see from references in the council of Nicaea documents, his vision/teachings/inane babble, or whatever you wish it to be referred as, was basterdised in an attempt to attain peace. So, was he a collective hero, made by the story tellers of the day, an outrageous manipulator, feigning relious philosophy, for an easy ride, or perhaps, he was a pretty cool guy, trying to draw together a seperated peoples, under one religious ideal ... or something else entirely ... I don't know, do you? ... What I do believe, is that his words were changed from 'I, am the son of, God' meaning, so are we all, to 'I, am the son of, God' follow me, or go to hell! Just goes to show, the press almost never gets its story straight. But hey, it's not like I've been studying this for over six years or anything ... #achem#
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I would have loved to read that, but I couldn't understand most of it. It all felt like one long sentence with disconnected meanings and jumps in the topic. =\
Specs112
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I'm usually good at deciphering train wreck posts, but this may have exceeded my abilities.
Seems like you're trying to say that there's decent evidence of his existence but nothing to confirm what he ACTUALLY did/stood for, which is a point already made in this thread without unnecessary words.
RyanO
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Were any historical acounts of Jesus written during his lifetime? It seems he just wasn't that important of a figure until after his death.
The Bloody Talon
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yes, but religion is more of believing God.
if God told me to kill, I would.
But fortunately, God is good.
(don't worry, you are safe with me. lol)
I don't think atheists would understand what I just wrote,
and I think some theists wouldn't too.
Christianity is much much deeper than what everybody thinks. I was an atheist once in the past. just saying.
(and yes, some atheist are theist in the past)
and I don't think I need to explain, I know you will have an answer for everything I will post.
I don't want to argue.
peace!
AgentKuo
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When I look into the life of Jesus, it's pretty much always from a mythology standpoint. I look at the mythos, and take it as nothing more than a story. For me, this makes it a lot more interesting, and a lot more open for interpretation. When you get even deeper into the ideologies that he went to the East and studied Buddhism and things like that, and then going into Gnostic texts, with things about Judas sitting on the left hand of god because he was truly Jesus' most loyal disciple. Just things like that, looking at it from a more mythological standpoint, interests me.
In the words of the great Beavis, "Whoa!"
Debatable.
Maybe if you explained it, people would understand it.
Being that I was a Christian for about 7 years of my life, I would have to say, overall, it's not much deeper than everyone thinks, although, I can only go based on what I think, and what I know from when I was a Christian. But again, you're keeping your statements very ambiguous, almost as if you want people to inquire. So please, explain.
You gotta explain. If you don't explain, then you're telling us nothing. Just making ambiguous statements.
Then don't.
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The Bloody Talon
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When I look into the life of Jesus, it's pretty much always from a mythology standpoint. I look at the mythos, and take it as nothing more than a story. For me, this makes it a lot more interesting, and a lot more open for interpretation. When you get even deeper into the ideologies that he went to the East and studied Buddhism and things like that, and then going into Gnostic texts, with things about Judas sitting on the left hand of god because he was truly Jesus' most loyal disciple. Just things like that, looking at it from a more mythological standpoint, interests me.
In the words of the great Beavis, "Whoa!"
Debatable.
Maybe if you explained it, people would understand it.
Being that I was a Christian for about 7 years of my life, I would have to say, overall, it's not much deeper than everyone thinks, although, I can only go based on what I think, and what I know from when I was a Christian. But again, you're keeping your statements very ambiguous, almost as if you want people to inquire. So please, explain.
You gotta explain. If you don't explain, then you're telling us nothing. Just making ambiguous statements.
Then don't.
also, I don't care if you believe in God or not.
no need for argument.
I was just stating my opinion too.
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AgentKuo
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Why did you quote me, and then not respond?
The Bloody Talon
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AgentKuo
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I didn't "have an answer" for anything you posted. I had a question for everything you posted.read again.
the second quotation is not from you.
There's no point in making ambiguous statements if you don't want people to inquire about them.
The Bloody Talon
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you replied so you did answer. (or your definition to the word "answer" is limited?)
and your answer are in questions.
and I don't need to answer your questions.
(oh wait, what is your question?)
I'm not making an ambiguous statement. (well, ambiguous to you)
it just happened you don't understand.
and I won't explain 'cause I don't need you to understand.
you will have your own opinions to my opinions and this will never end.
as I said,
I just stated my opinion. I don't want to argue with this topic
I just stated my opinion.
I repeat if you really can't understand this.
I JUST STATED MY OPINION
I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE
say your opinions about my opinions if you want.
just don't make me explain. because this will never end.
Ignore what I posted if you need to. I don't care
peace.
AgentKuo
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"I have a secret, guess what it is. I'm not gonna tell you if you're right, though."
It doesn't add anything to the conversation. It's pointless. Why even post it?
It doesn't add anything to the conversation. It's pointless. Why even post it?
The Bloody Talon
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"I have a secret, guess what it is. I'm not gonna tell you if you're right, though."
WHO TOLD YOU THIS? wahhh!
o wait, it is your translation to someones post? I haven't seen that
nice! keep up the good work!
RyanO
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This makes you a crazy person.
Unfortunately, God does instruct Christians to kill on his behalf. The Bible states that homosexuals, among others, are to be put to death.
Cube-Fu
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It all makes sense, and I believe the grammar is fine; I'm not going to do your research for you. It is about interpreting the actual evidence we have, for the existence of, Jesus.
Cube-Fu
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I'm saying these are best sources I know of for reference; they cover what he said and did (roughly) and I was also offering view-points for discussion. However, if you're going to be rude, by calling posts 'train-wrecks' because you don't like or understand them, I don't see why I should entertain you. And perhaps you could point out where I've been grandiloquent, or where the post is repeating others. Or maybe, I should refrain from a detached conversation about things, which most historians cannot confirm or deny?
The Bloody Talon
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yes, cool right?
as I told you, you won't understand.
wait, did He told me to kill them? hahahahaha
anyway,
maybe I should explain why I don't want to explain.
and the main reason is, I won't win this argument.
you see, this topic is about atheism and theism.
and of course, all of you will explain and try to prove your point is by using your logic.
but me, as a Christian, I live by faith.
(I use logic too, so no worries)
I believe in miracles, I believe God can make me walk in water, I believe He can cure the sick with His Words.
I believe He can calm the storm with His Command.
and yes, you won't believe it cause it is not logical.
and in a battle of logic, I will certainly lose.
so what is the purpose of explaining if I know that you would think that I would lose in the end?
all I can do here is state my opinion, and you can ignore my opinion if you want.
4 But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons.
yes, another Bible passage you could talk about.
enjoy.
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Christopher Mowla
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I really liked this post. I can definitely tell you did your research! Also, I could be wrong, but I think Specs112 was giving you a compliment but also basically saying that the point you were trying to make can be made (and was made) without even having to include so much detail. But again, I do feel that such detail is definitely necessary for good discussion.
4 But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons.
yes, another Bible passage you could talk about.
enjoy.
Here's a commentary I heard in my Bible as Literature Course (verse by verse):
The serpent was not Satan. He was a symbol for wisdom, knowledge and immortality. It is the voice inside of all of us that says, “I want to know for myself, I am not happy not doing something that I want to experience, even if I am deliberately told not to do so. Heck with that, I want to.”
6. The fact that the woman is shown to eat of the fruit of the tree first might imply that women have a hyperactive sexuality.
7. Adam and his woman’s choice was not a choice of morality. Instead, it was a choice whether to grow or not. They realized that they were naked (thus gaining experience) and became ashamed because they consciously knew that YHWH disapproved of eating of the forbidden fruit. The fig tree leaves clothing represents how, when a human is shamed, tries to cover himself/herself from the anxiety of being found out when doing something that is not approved by others.
14. An ideology can be thought of as a comprehensive vision, as a way of looking at things. This was probably written to answer children’s question of why snakes move on their bellies (an ideology).
15. This is an ideology for why humans are scared of snakes. It is also symbolism for hostility between wisdom and the human race. It is only when you are bitten by wisdom that you acquire it.
16. “He will rule over you” is an ideology for the reality of the people who produced this text. In that culture, male dominance was there. (It also may imply that women are horny). This is an ideology for why woman are in severe pain (and maybe even die) during childbirth.
17. This is an ideology for why when children grow up (become experienced), they must learn to do for themselves. Children come into their adulthood through labor and sweat.
19. An ideology can be thought of as a comprehensive vision, as a way of looking at things. This was probably written to answer children’s question of why we die (an ideology).
23. You have to sacrifice delight (Eden) in order to become experienced. Notice that this myth never says that Adam and his woman sinned. They became experienced.
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