Racing to sub-20

Round 541
Method: CFOP (Colour Neutral)
Cube: Gans 356
AO12: 21.79

21.38 Blue,
18.24 White,
(16.06 White),
23.39 Green,
32.43 Red,
25.86 Red,
20.84 Blue,
21.65 Orange,
21.23 Yellow,
16.51 White,
(33.59 Red),
16.34 White

Some of those white crosses were just too tasty to pass up :) and I still don't like Red... Ooh I do not like Red...
 
Round 541 Results

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Round 542
Potential Closing Time - April 7th, 2017 || 12:01PM CST​

Scrambles for the 542nd round:
  1. R2 B2 R2 U' B2 D2 U' B2 L2 D' U' F R F' U2 F' R' F2 D R2
  2. U' L2 D' L2 D2 F2 R2 F2 U F2 D' B L2 D R U2 R U' B D' R'
  3. L2 B2 D B2 F2 L2 D U2 L2 U' L2 B F2 D' R L' D R2 B' U' L'
  4. U2 F2 R2 L2 U L2 D F2 L2 U' B2 L D2 R2 B R2 U L U R' F' D'
  5. D2 L2 F2 U F2 U2 L2 U' R2 F2 L D2 L B' R U2 B L B2 D F
  6. F2 D' R2 D2 B2 U2 B2 U R2 U2 R' B F' D' B U L' B2 F R2 D2
  7. U2 F2 L2 U R2 U' B2 L2 U' R2 U' F' R' L U2 F D' L' B2 D B2 U
  8. D' R2 F2 R2 D' F2 R2 U' B2 U B2 L' D R2 U L' F L B2 R' D' U2
  9. R2 U2 L2 D' F2 D' B2 F2 U' R D R2 U F D' U' L' U2 R2
  10. F2 L2 U L2 B2 U' F2 D2 B2 U R' D2 F R' U' B' R F2 L2 U
  11. R2 U' L2 D R2 F2 D2 B2 U B2 D' B U L D' U L D2 U2 B' F' U'
  12. D2 U R2 F2 R2 L2 U' B2 F2 D' B' L U' F L' F' U' B2 L D'
Good luck to everyone!
 
Round 542
CFOP CN
Ao12: 23.37

haven't had as much time to practice but i'm still seeing slow improvement. Thanks for keeping this comp going!

17.76 19.49 24.84 28.05 34.11 (17.63) 18.72 22.59 20.56 22.35 25.26 (35.72)
 
Round 542
Method: CFOP
Cube: Moyu WeiLong GTS

Average of 12: 19.19
18.73, 19.16, (17.27), 17.68, 19.28, 20.30, 18.93, 19.29, 17.77, 19.68, 21.07, (21.83)

1. 18.73 R2 B2 R2 U' B2 D2 U' B2 L2 D' U' F R F' U2 F' R' F2 D R2
2. 19.16 U' L2 D' L2 D2 F2 R2 F2 U F2 D' B L2 D R U2 R U' B D' R'
3. 17.27 L2 B2 D B2 F2 L2 D U2 L2 U' L2 B F2 D' R L' D R2 B' U' L'
4. 17.68 U2 F2 R2 L2 U L2 D F2 L2 U' B2 L D2 R2 B R2 U L U R' F' D'
5. 19.28 D2 L2 F2 U F2 U2 L2 U' R2 F2 L D2 L B' R U2 B L B2 D F
6. 20.30 F2 D' R2 D2 B2 U2 B2 U R2 U2 R' B F' D' B U L' B2 F R2 D2
7. 18.93 U2 F2 L2 U R2 U' B2 L2 U' R2 U' F' R' L U2 F D' L' B2 D B2 U
8. 19.29 D' R2 F2 R2 D' F2 R2 U' B2 U B2 L' D R2 U L' F L B2 R' D' U2
9. 17.77 R2 U2 L2 D' F2 D' B2 F2 U' R D R2 U F D' U' L' U2 R2
10. 19.68 F2 L2 U L2 B2 U' F2 D2 B2 U R' D2 F R' U' B' R F2 L2 U
11. 21.07 R2 U' L2 D R2 F2 D2 B2 U B2 D' B U L D' U L D2 U2 B' F' U'
12. 21.83 D2 U R2 F2 R2 L2 U' B2 F2 D' B' L U' F L' F' U' B2 L D'

Statistics:

Mean: 19.25
Average: 19.19
Best: 17.27
Median: 19.22
Worst: 21.83
Desviation: 1.30

Comments:
It wasn't bad, but could've been better if i were practicing more. But ok @@ At least my solves were a bit more consistent.
 
Round 542
Method: CFOP
Cube: Valk 3

Ao12: 21.09
19.80, 23.03, 19.26, 21.79, (18.73), 23.48, 21.67, 22.23, (24.17), 19.15, 20.82, 19.63

This was a good Ao12 at my current level. Still feels like a long way to go to sub-20, but it's getting better!
 
Round: 542
Method: CFOP
Cube: Thunderclap
Ao12: 18.22
1. 22.35
2. 16.32
3. 18.16
4. 19.08
5. (25.85) Messed up an OLL
6. 17.58
7. (14.39)
8. 17.44
9. 16.93
10. 18.45
11. 18.17
12. 17.77


I used to be on this form but then i stopped doing it for whatever reason, now i'm gonna do it again... except now im pretty much sub 20 lol
 
Round: 542

Method: CFOP
Cube: Thunderclap v1 (Stickerless)

Single:
best: 12.31
worst: 18.48

Best Mo3: 13.68 (σ = 1.30)

Best Ao5: 14.50 (σ = 0.26)

Ao12: 15.41 (σ = 1.52)

Details:
1. (12.31) R2 B2 R2 U' B2 D2 U' B2 L2 D' U' F R F' U2 F' R' F2 D R2
2. 13.82 U' L2 D' L2 D2 F2 R2 F2 U F2 D' B L2 D R U2 R U' B D' R'
3. 14.89 L2 B2 D B2 F2 L2 D U2 L2 U' L2 B F2 D' R L' D R2 B' U' L'
4. 18.32 U2 F2 R2 L2 U L2 D F2 L2 U' B2 L D2 R2 B R2 U L U R' F' D'
5. 16.66 D2 L2 F2 U F2 U2 L2 U' R2 F2 L D2 L B' R U2 B L B2 D F
6. 17.39 F2 D' R2 D2 B2 U2 B2 U R2 U2 R' B F' D' B U L' B2 F R2 D2
7. (18.48) U2 F2 L2 U R2 U' B2 L2 U' R2 U' F' R' L U2 F D' L' B2 D B2 U
8. 14.29 D' R2 F2 R2 D' F2 R2 U' B2 U B2 L' D R2 U L' F L B2 R' D' U2
9. 14.79 R2 U2 L2 D' F2 D' B2 F2 U' R D R2 U F D' U' L' U2 R2
10. 15.24 F2 L2 U L2 B2 U' F2 D2 B2 U R' D2 F R' U' B' R F2 L2 U
11. 14.40 R2 U' L2 D R2 F2 D2 B2 U B2 D' B U L D' U L D2 U2 B' F' U'
12. 14.28 D2 U R2 F2 R2 L2 U' B2 F2 D' B' L U' F L' F' U' B2 L D'

Remarks: Some of those were amazing scrambles.
 
R542
Thunderclap
CFOP, green cross, half OLL

22.24, 21.05, 21.50, 19.53, 20.09, 18.26, (18.25), 23.81, 20.68, 21.72, (25.34), 22.82 = 21.17

First time here, trying to get consistent sub-20. Also learning full OLL, I know about 30 of them.
 
Round: 542
Method: CFOP
Cube: Thunderclap V1
Ao12: 22.12

1. 21.83
2. (18.25)
3. (26.71)
4. 24.80
5. 19.45
6. 20.80
7. 23.37
8. 23.13
9. 22.07
10. 21.28
11. 21.24
12. 23.02

This is my first time in this form. I've been trying to get consistent with my times and also trying to learn full PLL.
 
Round542
Cube: QiYi MoFangGe 3x3
Ao12: 25.75
Method :CFOP CN
1) 28.59 (orange)
2) 27.38(blue)
3) 25.32 (green)
4) 27.26 (orange)
5) 21.75 ( white)
6) 21.65 ( yellow)
7) (20.99) (green)
8) 27.67 (Red)
9) (31.24) ( orange)
10) 25.44 ( white)
11) 26.86 (blue)
12) 25.56 (red)
I AM BACK!!!!
But not with a bang.:(
I was working on CN those days. But lookahead sucked on these solves. Also I experienced a feeling of nervousness during timed solves since for days I have been doing untimed solves. So, an advice I want to give is that untimed solves are good but overdoing them will have negative effects.
Gj to all who did well.;)
And those who did not (like me:rolleyes:), don't get disheartened.
 
@sarvagya:

Hi. It seems you've been working on being colour neutral very well. Good job.

People have different ways of improving. What I'll be saying in this post may not be how you like to improve.

Now, please don't take it as discouragement, but honestly, being colour neutral won't help you very much at this stage. Think about it: are you equally comfortable with all bases? Perfectly equally? Perhaps not. If you were, I'm sure your times wouldn't have varied by such great amounts.

If you work on being colour neutral at this stage, your recognition improvement will be considerably slower. Since recognition is the main thing in CFOP (and most other methods), your all-round improvement will take place at a slower rate.

Instead, if you choose one colour and stick to it, you'll improve considerably faster... Which means you'll reach sub-10 faster as well. Now, what happens when you reach sub-10? That's when colour neutrality comes in! When you're sub-10, being colour neutral will be a major boost. Perhaps the amount of boost you'll receive will be the same even if you work on being colour neural right now. But, it will be relatively lower. Think of this example:

Let's assume that you receive a boost of 2-3 seconds by being colour neutral. If you average around 25 seconds, a 2-3 second boost won't help you that much, will it? Now, let's assume you are sub-10 and you average around 8-9 seconds. Now imagine how much of an advantage it will be if you're colour neutral.
​
At the end, however, it's your own decision. As I've already said above, people have different ways of improving. Honestly, I do not mean to discourage you. If you feel that being colour neutral is better for you, it is. All of this is just a suggestion. I am in no way forcing all of this upon you.

All right, then. Good luck and happy cubing. :)
 
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To be honest, I think the sooner you get CN the better. Once you have ingrained non-CN habits it will be much harder to break them. Anyway, being CN will not give you a boost of 2-3 seconds by any means. It will save you just one move in the cross on average and it will make it easier to find better 1st pairs. I'd say maybe half a second on average would be a fair guess.
 
I agree with @mafergut
CN can be applied most effectively before sub 20. After you get sub 20, it is much harder.
The only reason why my average was not 22ish was that I was a bit nervous during timed solves. I was overdoing untimed solves for a week hence, nervousness got me in the end.
 
mafergut said:
Anyway, being CN will not give you a boost of 2-3 seconds by any means. It will save you just one move in the cross on average and it will make it easier to find better 1st pairs. I'd say maybe half a second on average would be a fair guess.
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Oh. Well, 2-3 seconds was a terribly wrong assumption. I assumed it after taking a number of possible cases into consideration.

I thought that since x-crosses are easier when you're CN, you can create your cross on the best of the three available bases after you create a 2x2x2. I assumed that it would save you 1 second. Then I thought of another case (actually, a sub-case of the above case) where the rest of the cross is good, but the F2L is terrible. In that case, I thought that being CN would help you to visualise all the available first pairs and choose the best one to begin with. I assumed that it would potentially save up to 1.5 seconds. Then there can be +/- 0.25 to 0.5 seconds here and there during F2L (recognition, etc.)...

Oh wow, I just proved myself wrong.

sarvagya said:
I agree with @mafergut
CN can be applied most effectively before sub 20. After you get sub 20, it is much harder.
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Somehow, I wasn't very hard for me... I learnt to be CN on all bases except orange and blue (I don't know why I hate those bases...) only after I hit sub-20. It only took me a few weeks to be CN on those bases. So, it may not be as hard as you think.

EDIT: I just calculated ao5 for the following bases (same scrambles for all bases):

White: 15.60
Yellow: 15.45
Red: 15.87
Green: 16.01

Seems more or less consistent.
 
@AwesomeARC Wow, that's a pretty nice learning curve for CN at around 20sec average.
I was dual CN white/yellow from the beginning and I'm now trying to become full CN myself at around 18-19 sec average and it's quite hard for me. I've been trying for some months now (not constantly as I have almost abandoned a couple times) and I'm still over 20 average on the other 4 colours.
 
@mafergut

Here are some tips from the method I followed while I was training to be partially CN:
  • Don't just randomly choose bases and practice. You'll make less progress that way. Choose a particular colour and practice it till you feel comfortable with it.
  • Once you choose a colour, become familiar with the adjacent center colours. It's like memorising a colour scheme. For example, if you choose the red base and you have the blue center on the F-face, you'll have yellow on the R-face and white on the L-face. Spend at least a day working on this.
  • Concentrate on the cross. It's harder to master than F2L. Try to one-look the cross on whichever colour you choose. When you can successfully one-look the cross every time, work on your inspection time. Bring that down to around 8 seconds. When you can do that successfully, you'll have mastered the cross.
  • You may initially have problems with F2L. Don't worry about it. You'll eventually become used to it. It's a good idea to try to ignore all pieces which have your the opposite colour of your base. For example, if you're working on the red base, try to ignore all pieces which have the orange colour on them.
  • The last layer is fairly easy to master. I don't think you need any tips on this.
  • Finally, don't just practice, practice in an organised way!
That's all I've to say. Best of luck to you! :)
 
Round 542
Method: CFOP (Colour Neutral)
Cube: Gans 356
AO12: 21.32

24.63 Blue,
17.84 White,
20.25 yellow,
24.38 Green,
(16.52 White),
20.94 Orange,
(30.21 Red),
19.10 White,
22.38 Yellow,
19.20 Yellow,
20.58 Blue,
24.86 Green

mafergut said:
To be honest, I think the sooner you get CN the better. Once you have ingrained non-CN habits it will be much harder to break them
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Story of my cubing life right now. I'm starting to feel like the payoff isn't worth the effort and frustration at this point. I've been focusing on Blue cross in practice, but progress is very slow.

I feel like I might have to take my own advice soon. When a hobby stops being fun, stop doing it. Well, CN practice is taking the fun out of cubing for me lately so I think I might walk away from it, at least for now.

I think I might focus on finishing my OLL's. I've got about 10 to go.
 
Round 542 Results​

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Round 543
Potential Closing Time - April 14th, 2017 || 12:01PM CST​

Scrambles for the 543rd round:
  1. B2 U' F2 L2 U' R2 U L2 D' L2 D2 F B2 D R' D' L D' B' R B U2
  2. R2 D B2 D2 B2 D2 L2 B2 D' F R F R2 L U R' F2 R' L'
  3. R2 L2 U L2 D F2 R2 U F2 R2 D F D2 L D F2 D2 F2 L2 B' U
  4. B2 R2 D2 B2 U2 F2 D B2 U' R2 U2 B R' U' L U B L2 F2 R' U
  5. U2 F2 L2 D R2 F2 L2 B2 U2 L2 U' R' U' R2 F R2 D2 F2 D U' F' U
  6. B2 F2 U F2 D2 U' R2 F2 U2 B2 D' R' F D U2 B' F' R' B2 U' F R'
  7. U2 R2 U F2 U' L2 D B2 D2 R2 U2 F' L' B U L' B2 L' D2 F' D2 U
  8. U F2 D' R2 U R2 L2 U' F2 D2 U' F D' U2 B R' F' D' B2 F' U'
  9. L2 B2 D2 B2 U F2 U2 F2 D' L2 D' L D F U R B R2 U' F R
  10. R2 D F2 D2 L2 D' B2 U2 B2 L2 F' U B L2 U R' D2 B' L2 B2 L'
  11. D' B2 F2 R2 D R2 U R2 B2 D' F2 L' F2 D' U F U2 R' L F' R2
  12. U2 L2 U' R2 D' B2 U L2 U R2 U' F L' B' D B' D2 B' U2 B2 D'
Good luck to everyone!
 
earth2dan said:
Story of my cubing life right now. I'm starting to feel like the payoff isn't worth the effort and frustration at this point. I've been focusing on Blue cross in practice, but progress is very slow.

I feel like I might have to take my own advice soon. When a hobby stops being fun, stop doing it. Well, CN practice is taking the fun out of cubing for me lately so I think I might walk away from it, at least for now.

I think I might focus on finishing my OLL's. I've got about 10 to go.
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The funny thing about this is I always knew being full CN would not make me significantly faster but I thought it would be more fun but seeing how I can't get closer to my white & yellow times as hard as I try is not fun at all so I might as well abandon. By the way, my practise away from the timer concentrating in slow solving and lookahead is not very promising up to now either.
 
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