Question's about ZB method

[n0nco]

Hello!
I enjoy learning algs, so I plan on learning ZBLL, (which I'll learn in my own time) and I have a few questions, first of all, how much ZBLL should I learn, I'm not certain about sune ZBLL's, I believe Qixian cao use's the sune's and was using it in their 5.97 female WR.

Should i use the accompanying ZBLS, if i learn ZBLL i want to profit from it, but don't know if the excess time in ZBLS is worth it.

And what order should I learn them?

Thanks in advance!

 

[ruffleduck]

Hello!
I enjoy learning algs, so I plan on learning ZBLL, (which I'll learn in my own time) and I have a few questions, first of all, how much ZBLL should I learn,

As much as you like. All are worth it.

I'm not certain about sune ZBLL's, I believe Qixian cao use's the sune's and was using it in their 5.97 female WR.

Sune ZBLL's are very underrated. I learned full sune ZBLL for the memes; the algs are FIRE. After all, they technically have to be better than sune>PLL, because otherwise the sune>PLL would be the ZBLL alg itself. But compared to TUL ZBLL in comparison to TUL OCLL>PLL, sune ZBLL saves less time.

Should i use the accompanying ZBLS, if i learn ZBLL i want to profit from it, but don't know if the excess time in ZBLS is worth it.

I mean you can do intuitive EO manipulation effectively most solves. You don't have to learn full ZBLS either, you can learn the core ZBLS's and make other cases transpose to them.

And what order should I learn them?

Most people learn T/U first, then L, then H/Pi, then S/AS. As for me, I learned T first, forgot it, then learned sune, then forgot it, then quit cubing.

Thanks in advance!

You're welcome.

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

I completely agree with the answers @ruffleduck gave. I've also always been confused as to why people thought sune ZB isn't worth it, for the exact reason you mentioned.

My order of learning ZBLL was (not recommended): learn full pi, forget it, relearn full pi, learn full t, forget both, relearn full pi, 2GLL and fill it up to 200, learning 12 ZBLLs each day until you reach a moment in life where you don't have time for ZBLL anymore and forget all of it, but have a signature that says you have to finish all of it within a month and just ignore that because you need to practice 4BLD.

BTW I started with Pi because of the easy recognition, but TUL algs are way better in my experience.

(which I'll learn in my own time)

I would offer you some of mine if I could but I'm lacking time myself

 

[fes_77]

Wai wha arent you like almost sub 20

 

[n0nco]

Thanks everyone one for replying, This has cleared up alot, I tried EO manipulation today and after figuring out a bit of stuff it just wasn't didn't seem reliable or fast. (maybe I'm missing something or am just too slow at it?)

Which part of the ZBLS are the core ones? (or is it obvious by just learning the first few

Also, should I learn the core part's of ZBLS or learn ZBLL first? (I plan to start after sub 20 or after my comp)

Thanks again! (Also sorry for the extremely late response)

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

The point of learning ZBLS is to be able to take advantage of ZBLL on every single solve. This is only possible if you know ZBLLs, so that should be prioritized.
As for ZBLS, almost all basic F2L solutions end with a 3move insert so if you don't want to commit to full ZBLS, just learn those cases and you can always get EO solved. However, I'm by no means an expert on ZBLS, so don't just take my word for it.

 

[Silky]

Consider ZZ, Petrus, or APB - ZBLL was designed around Petrus due to preforming EO early. This would mean you wouldn't even need to learn ZBLS and you can start implementing ZBLL immediately, instead of needing to learn 300 algs just to start ultilizing ZBLL. Maybe not the anwser you're looking for but best of luck!!

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

What is ZB-CT and ZB-A?

 

[randomness...]

The point of learning ZBLS is to be able to take advantage of ZBLL on every single solve. This is only possible if you know ZBLLs, so that should be prioritized.
As for ZBLS, almost all basic F2L solutions end with a 3move insert so if you don't want to commit to full ZBLS, just learn those cases and you can always get EO solved. However, I'm by no means an expert on ZBLS, so don't just take my word for it.

F R' F'
i use inserts to solve the (OLL)cross if i dont know what WV i got

 

[Twisted101]

Thanks everyone one for replying, This has cleared up alot, I tried EO manipulation today and after figuring out a bit of stuff it just wasn't didn't seem reliable or fast. (maybe I'm missing something or am just too slow at it?)

Which part of the ZBLS are the core ones? (or is it obvious by just learning the first few

Also, should I learn the core part's of ZBLS or learn ZBLL first? (I plan to start after sub 20 or after my comp)

Thanks again! (Also sorry for the extremely late response)

You should learn beginner ZBLS otherwise known as VHLS (30 algorithms)

 

[xyzzy]

then quit cubing.

I especially endorse this part of the post.

(I forced myself to learn full T around two years ago, after having known scattered bits and pieces since ~2015, and now I stopped learning new ZBLL cases pretty much entirely. I don't cube enough for that to make sense anymore; I still like learning new algs, but I hate the idea of forgetting them, so I just don't.)

 

[n0nco]

I'm ready to learn ZBLL, but I don't know how to go around it, I'm going to use Baum harris, I believe I need to learn the COLL cases to use it tho, should I just learn cases, or the cases and algorithms?

 

[LBr]

Just for background, I know a few miscellaneous zbll/2gll algs and I know all coll except s/as, but I know how to recog cp since I know full CLL for 2x2. Full COLL I don’t think it’s that useful but I don’t regret it because it really helped me springboard into finishing 2x2 CLL.

let’s assume you are going to start with the T ZBLLs. All you need to know is there are 6 cp cases (or coll): solved (you will see 2 pairs of headlights, so you’ll know you have to solve it 2-gen), headlights with solved pieces, headlights with unsolved pieces, opp colours (basically the opposite of when cp is solved), and finally there is the standard OLL where there is an adj swap and also the mirror.

each of these 6 cp scenarios entails 12 ZBLLs and I think it’s probably useful to organise your alg learning by this, and it’s likely that the algs are similar to other algs with the same cp. that applies to each OLL case except H which has fewer ZBs. Anyway good luck

 

[Twisted101]

I'm ready to learn ZBLL, but I don't know how to go around it, I'm going to use Baum harris, I believe I need to learn the COLL cases to use it tho, should I just learn cases, or the cases and algorithms?

Cases and algs