Proposal: Add Gender Sorting on the WCA Rankings

[SirWaffle]

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Hi everyone, I have a proposal to make. I propose that WCA rankings be separated officially by gender. i.e. Female NR, Female WR, etc. I know what most of you are thinking " You just want it separated because you're a fast girl cuber! " . I can't deny the fact that that is true but I have two main reasons why I feel it should be separated. I feel it should be separated because so many other sports are separated by gender. Now many of you may think that cubing is such a fair sport and it does not matter whether you are male or female. Then I have one question, why is Cup Stacking separated by gender? Cup stacking is just as fair as cubing in terms of gender yet it is separated. So I see no reason why cubing should not be separated. My other reason is I feel it would make more girls interested in cubing knowing they have official records to work for rather than achieving a female but it is simply not be recognized officially. I don't think that it is fair to be honest. So thank you all very much for reading this. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

 

[Sa967St]

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[Rubiks560]

Do you mean just as a list? Or like make it so that they have OFFICIAL WRs for gender?
Because I can guarantee official WRs based on gender won't happen.

Edit: I guess I should read more.
Yeah, I don't think it's likely at all that this will happen. Like Noah said, females are just as capable of getting a WR as a male. This just sounds like a slightly easier way for females to get one.

 

[Noahaha]

Wait a second! Cupstacking has been using cups instead of cubes all of these years! We've been doing it all wrong!!!!!!!!!

But seriously... cubing treats everyone equally, and as far as we can tell, there's no reason not to. Female cubers are just as capable of being fast as male cubers. There just aren't as many of them. You'd have a better case arguing that there should be age divisions, since at the very least there is a difference in dexterity between older people and younger people.

Do you as a female feel like you would want to be treated differently because of your gender?

 

[JasonK]

Sports are separated by sex because of physical inequality between males and females. Cubing, as far as we can tell, is not affected by this.

Concerning cup stacking, we really shouldn't let ourselves be affected by the bad rules of an unrelated hobby.

 

[noobium]

could we have a separated ranking for 197040 hours old males living on my street? not because I'm the only one, more because im different than everybody else... i swear!

 

[Carson]

Then someone would get a sex change and screw things up. FAZ: With a little nip/tuck, you could hold both world records...

 

[Tim Major]

If you look at split sports, generally the male leagues get more attention. By having men and women competing for the same records, they receive the same recognition and praise as men do. There is no physical difference, as far as we know, making females worse at cubing.

However, the WCA does list whether each person is male or female, so if you head over to the WCA stats thread, just ask and someone might be able to make a list of female world records.

 

[sneaklyfox]

Probably only girls would be more interested in this and since there are so few of this, we don't have much of a voice. I'm for having the stats made available (age as well), but just the stats. iwca has some stats on gender and things and I have a certain sense of pride of being pretty good among females for a couple events. I would like to know how I rank on the age spectrum too. However, I don't think things like WR/NR should have gender or age divisions.

 

[Noahaha]

Nothing wrong with an unofficial list, but I think that anything official would be against the spirit of the WCA.

 

[uniacto]

oh hey you're back! It's already been a month? O_o

Personally, I think that it's a bad idea to have a separate list for a different sex. Like others have said, there's no physical limitation between female and male cubers, like in other sports.

 

[Patrick M]

Sorry waffle, exactly what noah said is what I was going to say. Reason for seperation of gender/age in competitions is usually do to advantages and other things.

 

[TMOY]

However, the WCA does list whether each person is male or female, so if you head over to the WCA stats thread, just ask and someone might be able to make a list of female world records.

Just FYI, an unofficial site giving world rankings by gender already exists.

 

[Tim Major]

Just FYI, an unofficial site giving world rankings by gender already exists.

Yeah that was just posted by sneaklyfox. Nice site. It's actually faster than the official website than me for some reason, so I prefer it. The official website seem reaaaaally slow at times.

 

[stoic]

I think what Noah said pretty well sums it up for me.
There's no reason to patronise female cubers by treating them differently in any way

 

[~Adam~]

Proposal: Separate WCA Rankings Officially by Gender.

It's a sexist proposal IMO.
It implies that one sex has a physical or mental advantage over the other.
The only advantage males have that I'm aware of is sheer numbers.

Edit - and now that I have read the thread my post is clearly redundant.

 

[cubizh]

Just thought I would share the numbers here:

More stats to follow.

 

[PeelingStickers]

Just thought I would share the numbers here:

Spoiler: image

More stats to follow.

what are those 472? :O

 

[conn9]

what are those 472? :O

I think most of those just haven't specified what gender they are.

 

[cubizh]

what are those 472? :O

I assume a gender was not provided in the information submitted to the WCA.