Poll: Best Technique To Improve Time

[Alex DiTuro]

What do you guys think? I prefer minimizing cube rotations; it's brought my time down about 2-3 seconds


This is meant for someone who can solve consistantly under 15s (elite cubers) and since practice isn't really an issue for them and their look-ahead is obviously good I wanted to know what they think is the best advanced technique (look-ahead and practice aren't advanced techniques)

 

[Muesli]

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[ianini]

The "P" word.

 

[Alex DiTuro]

Polls Up

 

[Edward]

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No matter what method you use, it works...

 

[Alex DiTuro]

The "P" word.

I mean like if you have sub 20 times and you're looking to shed as many seconds off your time as possible. Advanced Stuff

 

[daniel5]

Look Ahead^^

 

[josmil1]

practice over and over

 

[4Chan]

Definitely not advanced LL techniques. Dx

 

[Alex DiTuro]

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No matter what method you use, it works...

Ja, forgot to add that

 

[cincyaviation]

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yes, yes you did

 

[ianini]

Look ahead and practice. That's it. Some oll's wouldn't hurt.

 

[brunson]

You need to qualify improvement from where. You and I are about the same speed and I need lookahead. Someone who is already sub-20 would have different areas for improvement as would someone who is sub-15. Also, at our level I would think full PLL would be necessary for improvement.

 

[gamemeister27]

Minimize cube rotations, it helps with all methods. Color neutrality is better for some methods than others. For Fridrich, it doesn't make too much of a difference (according to the data gathered by Lars Vandenbergh) but for Petrus, it makes the first step much easier. Advanced ll techniques are iffy in my opinion because the sheer number of cases might reduce recognition to the point where the speed balances out.

 

[Alex DiTuro]

You need to qualify improvement from where. You and I are about the same speed and I need lookahead. Someone who is already sub-20 would have different areas for improvement as would someone who is sub-15. Also, at our level I would think full PLL would be necessary for improvement.

Agreed

I meant for someone who can solve consistantly under 15s (elite cubers) and since practice isn't really an issue for them and their look-ahead is obviously good I wanted to know what they think is the best advanced technique (look-ahead and practice aren't advanced techniques)

 

[Edward]

You need to qualify improvement from where. You and I are about the same speed and I need lookahead. Someone who is already sub-20 would have different areas for improvement as would someone who is sub-15. Also, at our level I would think full PLL would be necessary for improvement.

Agreed

I meant for someone who can solve consistantly under 15s (elite cubers) and since practice isn't really an issue for them and their look-ahead is obviously good I wanted to know what they think is the best advanced technique (look-ahead and practice aren't advanced techniques)

But GOOD lookahead and EFFICIENT practice can take months to master.

 

[Alex DiTuro]

You need to qualify improvement from where. You and I are about the same speed and I need lookahead. Someone who is already sub-20 would have different areas for improvement as would someone who is sub-15. Also, at our level I would think full PLL would be necessary for improvement.

Agreed

I meant for someone who can solve consistantly under 15s (elite cubers) and since practice isn't really an issue for them and their look-ahead is obviously good I wanted to know what they think is the best advanced technique (look-ahead and practice aren't advanced techniques)

But GOOD lookahead and EFFICIENT practice can take months to master.

This poll was meant for advanced techniques. YES, I understand Look-ahead and practice are EXTREMELY important, but aside from those, what other techniques would be the best to invest time into?

 

[ianini]

You need to qualify improvement from where. You and I are about the same speed and I need lookahead. Someone who is already sub-20 would have different areas for improvement as would someone who is sub-15. Also, at our level I would think full PLL would be necessary for improvement.

Agreed

I meant for someone who can solve consistantly under 15s (elite cubers) and since practice isn't really an issue for them and their look-ahead is obviously good I wanted to know what they think is the best advanced technique (look-ahead and practice aren't advanced techniques)

But GOOD lookahead and EFFICIENT practice can take months to master.

This poll was meant for advanced techniques. YES, I understand Look-ahead and practice are EXTREMELY important, but aside from those, what other technique would be the best to invest time into?

To answer your question, COLL would be useful. Also x-cross might help.

 

[PatrickT]

I know quite a few sub-15 cubers and I must say they don't do anything particularly special. It really is just what everyone else has been saying -- look ahead and practice. Just think about the time break-down. If you want to be 14 seconds then you could do a 10 second f2l (all look-ahead) and a 4 second last layer (all practice/finger tricks).

Other things that they do are algorithms from different angles instead of AUFing or rotating the cube. For the purposes of your poll I would probably vote this, since it applies to F2L as well as last layer. But I don't know why you consider this an advanced technique whereas look ahead/practice are "not."

I know a couple of them tried COLL but didn't think it's worth it. There are like two people who do MGLS which looks pretty good, and a couple of cases are worth learning anyway. I don't know any sub-15ers who do VHF2L, but I know someone sub-20 who does it. It's good to be able to do some LL edge control, but VHF2L is unnecessary.

I don't personally know any color neutral people. I think it's worth it to be white/yellow color neutral or whatever color is opposite your normal cross, as it's basically the same and I've seen a few sub-15 people do that. But it's definitely not necessary for sub-15.

 

[Alex DiTuro]

I know quite a few sub-15 cubers and I must say they don't do anything particularly special. It really is just what everyone else has been saying -- look ahead and practice. Just think about the time break-down. If you want to be 14 seconds then you could do a 10 second f2l (all look-ahead) and a 4 second last layer (all practice/finger tricks).

Other things that they do are algorithms from different angles instead of AUFing or rotating the cube. For the purposes of your poll I would probably vote this, since it applies to F2L as well as last layer. But I don't know why you consider this an advanced technique whereas look ahead/practice are "not."

I know a couple of them tried COLL but didn't think it's worth it. There are like two people who do MGLS which looks pretty good, and a couple of cases are worth learning anyway. I don't know any sub-15ers who do VHF2L, but I know someone sub-20 who does it. It's good to be able to do some LL edge control, but VHF2L is unnecessary.

I don't personally know any color neutral people. I think it's worth it to be white/yellow color neutral or whatever color is opposite your normal cross, as it's basically the same and I've seen a few sub-15 people do that. But it's definitely not necessary for sub-15.

Wow, your fingertricks must own = o My LL is usually about 8 to 9 seconds with a 12 - 13 seconds F2L

I missed a bunch of techniques (empty slot, X-cross, Solving from different angles), Probably should have put some thought into this poll = P

I put minimizing cube rotations as an advanced technique because it is not one of the main things they tell you to work on after a cfop tutorial. It's mostly practice and to look ahead.