Perfect Memo!!!

[DennisStrehlau]

The question is, is it worth it to have such a memory system combined with orient first (which entails yet another memorization step/method)?

For multi, I'm really excited about my new approach for memorizing corner orientation (convert hex numbers into letter pair images). I think such a system might be practical for multi. And it's also true that Alexander Yu and Rowe Hessler were both quite fast with orient-first methods.

However, that being said, 2 letter images is also quite effective for storing lots of information. And I know Tim Habermaas had a lot of luck with just single letter images. So I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble for that reason.

Yeah, i think so too.
I just combined 2 images to 1. ne letters at all, i know the list perfectly now and its much better then before.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Hey Chris.
As i mentioned, i might do a list with 4 images=1 image. I am not sure how many possibillities there are. Does anybody know? It will be a lot of work, to learn all the images then, BUT it would be MORE than usefull!

Greetings...Dennis

For corners, assuming a fixed buffer corner, and assuming you solve position and orientation at the same time, that's 21*18*15*12 = 68040

for edges that's 22*20*18*16=126720

With clever planning the edges images will overlap the corner ones, but still 126720 is too many to learn I think.

If you pre-orient all pieces then 4 pieces in one image needs:

corners: 7*6*5*4 = 840 images
edges: 11*10*9*8 = 7920 images

which is definitely manageable as a memory system. The question is, is it worth it to have such a memory system combined with orient first (which entails yet another memorization step/method)?

Chris

Thats really a lot, F*** !!!
Thanks for that by the way, Chris.

And Simboubou: my list is so long, cause i have an image for every piece with every other possible piece (edges with edges and corners with corners, 2 orientations for edges and 3 for corners of course)so thats 11 edges with both orientations = 22 (not 12, cause 1 is the buffer) with all the other edges (with both orientations) = 22*20=440. and same for corners means:
7 corners with 3 orientations each=
one corner with every other (6) corner (3 orientations) = 18.
7 corners ( not 8 , cause of the buffer again) with 3 orientations means:
21*18=378 ------> 440+378=818



Greetings...Dennis

 

[Simboubou]

Oh, you are right.

My list is 440 items long. ( Now I am sure it is this ).
But I planed to use the same letter pairs for corners... I realize now that I don't use the same buffer letter... But it is not a problem, I can change my buffer for corner.

 

[Stefan]

nothing compared to the couple thousand images that the pro memorizers use.

Do they? I only know Ben Pridmore did this (for cards). Who else?

Tim Habermaas had a lot of luck with just single letter images.

Luck?

 

[Mike Hughey]

Tim Habermaas had a lot of luck with just single letter images.

Luck?

Poor choice of words - sorry.
s/luck/success/

 

[tim]

Tim Habermaas had a lot of luck with just single letter images.

Luck?

Poor choice of words - sorry.
s/luck/success/

I'm sure that Boris Konrad (40s speed cards, 9th place), Simon Reinhard (10th place) and Dr. Gunther Karsten (2nd place) use single images. And i just found this "Mind and Memory Training" book while i looked for evidence for my assumption. I think it's worth reading.

btw. i don't use single letter images, just single images.

 

[Mike Hughey]

btw. i don't use single letter images, just single images.

Just to clarify - when you say this do you mean that you correlate the image directly to the piece, without going through a letter in between? (That's what I assume you mean, but I'd like to be sure.) Or do you mean something different?

 

[cmhardw]

nothing compared to the couple thousand images that the pro memorizers use.

Do they? I only know Ben Pridmore did this (for cards). Who else?

I don't know if anyone has learned it yet, but I've seen debate before on the memory sports group that people want to learn the 10000 image system that will allow them to encode 4 decimal digits into one image. Again, I don't know if anyone has actually learned it, only that I've seen people mentioning they would like to learn it.

As far as I know Ben Pridmore uses the largest number of images, but I have heard memorizers before mention that 1000 images/words/etc. is pretty much the standard amount that most people know who use a large system. There are exceptions of course like those who use just 1 image per location and use lots of locations to memorize instead.

Chris

 

[tim]

btw. i don't use single letter images, just single images.

Just to clarify - when you say this do you mean that you correlate the image directly to the piece, without going through a letter in between? (That's what I assume you mean, but I'd like to be sure.) Or do you mean something different?

Yes, that's what i meant.

 

[F.P.]

Most "memorizers" use a majorsystem with images for the numbers from 0-999 (so do I).

 

[cubeRemi]

I'm stil working on my 11x11 majorsystem. 2 targets, one image/sound.

Remi