Osama bin Laden killed (was: They got him.)

I don't understand. Take the average american and take Dene

Since Rowe lives in New York I totally understand why this news is important for him. Also the USA has a higher risk for another terrorist attack then New Zealand, so I think it is not the same for them.

neither of them knew any of the 3000 people that died.

You don't have to know the people in person who died near you to have emotional effects.
 
I really don't know if I should get into this or not, but I'll throw in my two cents I suppose.

Kirjava: Maybe the average american doesn't know any of those 3,000 people, but this attack did happen on our land, our home. This feels personal whether or not we live in NY, DC, or PA. And Rowe is actually a great example, he lives in NY. There's a fair chance he might have known one of those 3,000 people. Edit: ninja'd on the Rowe living in NY bit.

Chris Hardwick: I thought you were 5-10 years older than me, haha. I was a freshman in HS when the whole thing happened. I was talking from one classroom to another, it was during the ISTEP testing (standardized state tests). Pretty sure they cancelled the rest of the tests that day (but I'm not sure). I just remember being in my study hall room and watching it on TV, then in another class room after lunch watching it on TV.
 
Rowe was there, but he survived and it only made him stronger.

Seriously though, he might have known someone, or maybe he has a strong sense of nationalism here. But it's better to just let Rowe respond-.
 
I'd just like to say, I don't think I would be any more affected if I was an American. It shouldn't make any difference what country the people who died on 9/11 were from.
I understand that Rowe is from New York, so it's likely he knows, or knew, someone who was personally affected. However, I don't think that the average American should feel more affected than anybody else, just because they're from the same country as the people who died.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with what Kian said. I also remember the emotions of 9/11/01, I was a high school senior at the time. Classes were cancelled and they called us all into the auditorium to watch the news footage live and to come together as a school to discuss the emotions and issues surrounding the whole thing.

I am relieved, as Kian said, that bin Laden will no longer be able to plan any attacks against the US and other countries. Of course there will be others to fill the vacuum left by his absence, but this was a morale victory that many US citizens needed to begin the process of closing this chapter out of our lives.

Killing him without a fair judgement make us as bad as he is. Justice isn't revenge.
 
Killing him without a fair judgement make us as bad as he is. Justice isn't revenge.
You don't think there's enough enough evidence of his direct involvement with (and taking responsibility for) terrorist acts to merit something like this? It is pretty obvious to me that the guy deserved a very hefty sentence for his crimes - at the very least, a life sentence with no parole. I'd prefer that he could be brought to trial, but given that I've heard he was killed in a firefight, I doubt there was a lot of choice in the matter. There aren't any consistent ways to shoot someone and incapacitate them without killing them.
 
Are you blind, or do you disagree that they're from the country that got attacked?
I'm not sure that I completely understand what you are saying, but nevertheless...
I guess I understand that Americans are personally affected because it is their country that was targeted by the attack, but I don't think that they should be concerned about American lives more than other peoples' lives. Likewise, I think that non-Americans can be just as affected by the deaths as Americans. I don't think that life of someone from your country is any more important than the life of anybody else.
 
You don't think there's enough enough evidence of his direct involvement with (and taking responsibility for) terrorist acts to merit something like this? It is pretty obvious to me that the guy deserved a very hefty sentence for his crimes - at the very least, a life sentence with no parole. I'd prefer that he could be brought to trial, but given that I've heard he was killed in a firefight, I doubt there was a lot of choice in the matter. There aren't any consistent ways to shoot someone and incapacitate them without killing them.

So why not giving him a fait judgement ? If it is obvious, the judgment would be easy and he would be condamn.

I'm pretty sure Ben Laden would have - if he were still alive - a similar oppinion about world trade center's victims. USA just acted as stupidly as Ben Laden did, and that really sad.
 
So why not giving him a fait judgement ? If it is obvious, the judgment would be easy and he would be condamn.
The judgment was already made by the government many years ago. Keep in mind that the US has essentially been at war with al Qaida, so Osama's viewed not as an international criminal but as a highly important enemy combatant. Besides, as I said, there was literally no opportunity to give him a trial, since he died in his first physical engagement with US troops. I don't think we could have possibly captured him alive without wasting lots of time and people in the process.

I'm pretty sure Ben Laden would have - if he were still alive - a similar oppinion about world trade center's victims.
I'm pretty sure he wanted to kill random people just to show his hatred and harm the US - the WTC attack was not a personal attack on the victims, but a large one on the country itself. It doesn't make any sense to think that he might have individually and specifically condemned the victims to death for past crimes. There is a big difference between a random and unprompted attack on civilians, and between a wartime raid on a dangerous enemy.
 
qq: There are ways to shoot somebody without killing them, but in this situation it definitely wouldn't be easy. 'm not sure if this was disclosed or not, but I didn't catch how large the size of the group was that engaged in this fire fight. If it was a small special ops team, there's no chance even with expert marskmen that this could have turned out much differently. Honestly: I'd be surprised if they even wanted to bring him in alive. Keeping him alive only gives him more time to escape by some means (time frame unspecified).
 
qq: There are ways to shoot somebody without killing them
Yeah, but all the effective ones are luck based, especially in a stressful situation (like a shootout). If someone isn't wearing proper body armor, any possibly incapacitating shot would only be a few inches (or less) away from a lethal one, so you can't guarantee anything.

If it was a small special ops team, there's no chance even with expert marskmen that this could have turned out much differently.
I think it was a small team. I've heard that Obama specifically asked for a very targeted attack to avoid the carnage/damage associated with typical military activities.
 
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