Osama bin Laden killed (was: They got him.)

Bryan: People getting out of jail isn't unheard of. A high priority like him, I could see people organizing something, if nothing else, some sort of shady deal involving dirty guards or something. Most people are easily bought. And shooting somebody in the knee is a pretty easy way to (probably) get them to stop shooting back at you. You could also shoot somebody in the arm, etc. Granted, a lot of these depends on what bullet you are using (for instance a .223 will cause a lot of damage no matter what, that's what it was designed for).

qq: I completely agree with the bit about this sort of stressful situation. I'm just saying it's possible :P Likelihood is a different ball game :P
 
qqwref said:
The judgment was already made by the government many years ago. Keep in mind that the US has essentially been at war with al Qaida, so Osama's viewed not as an international criminal but as a highly important enemy combatant.
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The governement does not judge people. The justice does. This is Separation of powers. This is - with some other stuff - what makes the difference between a free contry and a dictatorship.

qqwref said:
Besides, as I said, there was literally no opportunity to give him a trial, since he died in his first physical engagement with US troops. I don't think we could have possibly captured him alive without wasting lots of time and people in the process.
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Right, I understand that. However, I'm pretty sure that if you make the final count, USA has killed more innocent people than Al Quaeda in the process. I'm not sayng that Ben Laden was a good guy. I'm just saying that the fact that he was a bad guy was used to justify the fact that USA act as bad guys too. And I think this is unnacceptable from a free country.
 
(unrelated to current discussion) My two cents/ opinion. I was watching the news and they said that the us armed forces is highly considering pulling out all troops. I think this is a stupid idea. I don't really see killing Bin Laden like such a huge victory. There is going to be another guy that will come along, take his place and it will all continue. Furthermore it is evident Al Quaida is close to extermination (at least i believe so), so why should we just leave believing we have won when this just gives them time to rebuild and come together. /done
 
pwnAge said:
(unrelated to current discussion) My two cents/ opinion. I was watching the news and they said that the us armed forces is highly considering pulling out all troops. I think this is a stupid idea. I don't really see killing Bin Laden like such a huge victory. There is going to be another guy that will come along, take his place and it will all continue. Furthermore it is evident Al Quaida is close to extermination (at least i believe so), so why should we just leave believing we have won when this just gives them time to rebuild and come together. /done
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Was the reason for possibly pulling out troops specifically (or mostly) because of this event? I don't think anyone in power is assuming we have won the battle or anything close to that just from killing Osama.
 
My opinions in a nutshell:

- Good to see that he was finally found, this looked lke a ghost hunt for way too long. (Rememeber the search for WMD in Iraq?)
- Having the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan pisses a lot of people off and thus makes it easier for the bad guys to recruite "soldiers"
 
deadalnix said:
The governement does not judge people. The justice does. This is Separation of powers.
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The justice department is part of the government, but you're right, normally the military isn't in charge of sentencing. (Keep in mind Obama was acting as Commander-in-chief of the armed forces - this was a military decision, not one made by the executive branch of the government.) But, in a situation of war or national security, it's pretty standard for the military to decide that certain people can or even should be killed. There would be no way to have war at all without this power. Can you imagine trying to hold a trial for each enemy soldier in a typical battle or skirmish?

deadalnix said:
However, I'm pretty sure that if you make the final count, USA has killed more innocent people than Al Quaeda in the process. I'm not sayng that Ben Laden was a good guy. I'm just saying that the fact that he was a bad guy was used to justify the fact that USA act as bad guys too. And I think this is unnacceptable from a free country.
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I don't think killing innocent people is right either (and I don't categorically approve of all actions the USA takes either), but the solution is not to complain about the USA acting as bad guys. That doesn't help anything. The solution is to call for the legal prosecution of the individual people who allowed or ordered it to happen.
 
I think that people shouldn't be celebrating his death because now the US's target has just grown because he is dead.
 
qqwref said:
I don't think killing innocent people is right either (and I don't categorically approve of all actions the USA takes either), but the solution is not to complain about the USA acting as bad guys. That doesn't help anything. The solution is to call for the legal prosecution of the individual people who allowed or ordered it to happen.
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That's what I do in my contry (I'm french, we have the same type of issue right here). And that what I expect USA's citizens to do in their own.
 
The terrorists are gonna get pissed and start bombing everything. Say hello to World War Three.

P.S. RIP Osama ;)
 
CubingCockney said:
The terrorists are gonna get pissed and start bombing everything. Say hello to World War Three.
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Al Quaeda is almost destroyed for years. This is just a zombie organisation. So WW3 isn't a serious issue here.

BTW, the way this was handled will undoubtedly be helpfull for islamist organisations, terrorists or not.
 
deadalnix said:
Al Quaeda is almost destroyed for years. This is just a zombie organisation. So WW3 isn't a serious issue here.

BTW, the way this was handled will undoubtedly be helpfull for islamist organisations, terrorists or not.
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I love how the Americans reacted to osama's death. Can't **** off some islamic extremists more than standing outside the whitehouse at 2AM chanting "USA!, USA!"

Gotta love the Americans
 
He said prior to that event that he would not be taken in alive (correct me if I'm wrong).

Must be kind of odd though to go so many years of all of the craziness going on, and then one day they just bust in. You refuse to surrender, and... boom, headshot. Sudden death. You lost the game etc. etc. It's just odd.
 
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