Olympic Cube (V-Cube)

[Radu]

I think it's more complicated than it looks. We already have not a lot of time at tournaments and think about how long it takes to solve them, especially for the 'less faster' guys. If they have to do an avg of 5 which takes 10 minutes each time on a 6x6 not to mention 7x7........

i agree with Erik. although i have never been in a competition, i don't see why the 6 and 7 cubes should become official events. if you know how to solve a 4 and 5...you'll solve every cube...it also takes a lot of time

my proposal is this. we can make it a special event, and only the top 3 in the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5x competition will be allowed to solve the 6x6x6 repsectively the 7x7x7 cube once...as a special event, or something like this...for entertaining, for fun. i hope it's not confusing what i was trying to say

what will happen when the 11x11x11 cubes will come out ?

 

[AvGalen]

if you know how to solve a 4 and 5...you'll solve every cube...

Not true. If you are used to reduction, centers might be hard on 6x6x6 and 7x7x7 at first.

 

[blindfold cube]

if you know how to solve a 4 and 5...you'll solve every cube...

Not true. If you are used to reduction, centers might be hard on 6x6x6 and 7x7x7 at first.

If you can solve a 6x6x6 then you can really solve any cube. Cubes bigger than a 6x6x6 cube aren't much harder but have more pieces.

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

my proposal is this. we can make it a special event, and only the top 3 in the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5x competition will be allowed to solve the 6x6x6 repsectively the 7x7x7 cube once...as a special event, or something like this...for entertaining, for fun. i hope it's not confusing what i was trying to say

I'm pretty sure the rules don't allow that.

 

[AvGalen]

if you know how to solve a 4 and 5...you'll solve every cube...

Not true. If you are used to reduction, centers might be hard on 6x6x6 and 7x7x7 at first.

If you can solve a 6x6x6 then you can really solve any cube. Cubes bigger than a 6x6x6 cube aren't much harder but have more pieces.

True. Solving a 7x7x7 isn't harder then solving a 6x6x6
Solving a 7x7x7 FAST will be hard because staying focussed will become more of an issue.

I guess we will see a lot more topics on commutators when those big-cubes arive.

 

[Erik]

Why is that? You don't need commutators to solve bigger cubes...

 

[AvGalen]

Why is that? You don't need commutators to solve bigger cubes...

But it would make "difficult" centers so much more logical and fast.
Edge pairing will just become a mixture between 2-at-a-time on 4x4x4 and my method for 2-at-a-time on 5x5x5. That basically means (number_of_layers - 3) * 25 seconds for the really fast people.
3x3x3 remains 3x3x3
And parities will be done at bit more intuitive.

 

[Erik]

centres, I'll show you those saturday, but it's very easy.
Parity, you already know it! If you do like you said, first pair up middle edges and then the outer edges you already know the alg! (yes only one).

 

[cmhardw]

Don't forget 6x6x6 and 7x7x7 BLD events

I realize that such an event will probably never happen, but it would be cool if us big cube BLDers would be allowed to forgo our regular events at a competition in place of a "single record attempt" for something like a 6x6x6 BLD. It would be neat if it could be an official record, but a massive hinderance to the running of the competition (it would need a judge the whole time, etc.). So I could understand if it doesn't happen.

I still have my sights on an unofficial successful 7x7x7 BLD once I get my hands on one.

Chris

 

[Mike Hughey]

Don't forget 6x6x6 and 7x7x7 BLD events

I realize that such an event will probably never happen, but it would be cool if us big cube BLDers would be allowed to forgo our regular events at a competition in place of a "single record attempt" for something like a 6x6x6 BLD. It would be neat if it could be an official record, but a massive hinderance to the running of the competition (it would need a judge the whole time, etc.). So I could understand if it doesn't happen.

I'd probably love the same chance. But I agree the logistics are pretty outrageous. Still, your 6x6x6 unofficial BLD was faster than some official 5x5x5 BLD solves (much faster than Stefan's!). I've often wondered if maybe we could add an extra day for big cube BLDers where we all agree to sit and judge each other. Of course, there's the problem of the scrambles there, but if we could agree to use different scrambles instead of the same ones, at least it would be fair - the idea is that if you want to be allowed to do a big cube BLD, you must also be willing to watch someone else do one. I realize that would be a bigger burden on you than on me, though, since you'd have to suffer through my times, while I'd get to enjoy yours. (But I am catching up!)

I still have my sights on an unofficial successful 7x7x7 BLD once I get my hands on one.

Chris

Me too!

 

[Dene]

Well, it's simple really, just set up a competition specifically for bigcubes BLD. You don't need one judge for the whole of a solve, take it in shifts or something. It would probably be exciting to watch the thing solving BLD anyway!

 

[AvGalen]

Don't forget 6x6x6 and 7x7x7 BLD events

I realize that such an event will probably never happen, but it would be cool if us big cube BLDers would be allowed to forgo our regular events at a competition in place of a "single record attempt" for something like a 6x6x6 BLD. It would be neat if it could be an official record, but a massive hinderance to the running of the competition (it would need a judge the whole time, etc.). So I could understand if it doesn't happen.

I'd probably love the same chance. But I agree the logistics are pretty outrageous. Still, your 6x6x6 unofficial BLD was faster than some official 5x5x5 BLD solves (much faster than Stefan's!). I've often wondered if maybe we could add an extra day for big cube BLDers where we all agree to sit and judge each other. Of course, there's the problem of the scrambles there, but if we could agree to use different scrambles instead of the same ones, at least it would be fair - the idea is that if you want to be allowed to do a big cube BLD, you must also be willing to watch someone else do one. I realize that would be a bigger burden on you than on me, though, since you'd have to suffer through my times, while I'd get to enjoy yours. (But I am catching up!)

I still have my sights on an unofficial successful 7x7x7 BLD once I get my hands on one.

What about an extra day (or evening) with a blind-relay ranging from 1x1x1 to 7x7x7?

Chris

Me too!

Just like I did multi-blind before single I will do 6x6x6 before "regular bigcubes"

 

[ExoCorsair]

It would be neat if it could be an official record, but a massive hinderance to the running of the competition (it would need a judge the whole time, etc.). So I could understand if it doesn't happen.

Especially with the new 'judge must keep something between competitor's face and cube' rule.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Just like I did multi-blind before single I will do 6x6x6 before "regular bigcubes"

That would be really cool - I hope you do!

It would be neat if it could be an official record, but a massive hinderance to the running of the competition (it would need a judge the whole time, etc.). So I could understand if it doesn't happen.

Especially with the new 'judge must keep something between competitor's face and cube' rule.

I hope we can come up with a "barrier stand" pretty quickly to solve that problem. Like I hope we can have one in time for Chattahoochie!

 

[Hadley4000]

Just like I did multi-blind before single I will do 6x6x6 before "regular bigcubes"

That would be really cool - I hope you do!

It would be neat if it could be an official record, but a massive hinderance to the running of the competition (it would need a judge the whole time, etc.). So I could understand if it doesn't happen.

Especially with the new 'judge must keep something between competitor's face and cube' rule.

I hope we can come up with a "barrier stand" pretty quickly to solve that problem. Like I hope we can have one in time for Chattahoochie!

What about something similar to a sheet music stand? A big piece of paper could be on there, and it could be raised to the level of the solvers face.

 

[Ton]

For sure the time factor will be an issue, also world wide distibution and availablity.

If the are available for sure I like to plan an unofficial 6x6 and 7x7 , outside a planned competion.

For blindfold we must design a why to block the view, the WCA is busy to find a way. If this is sorted out we can think of an official 6x6 and 7x7 BLD event

 

[Hadley4000]

Didn't Chris Hardwick do the 6x6x6 blindfolded?

 

[Mike Hughey]

Didn't Chris Hardwick do the 6x6x6 blindfolded?

Unofficially, yes. There's been no official attempt yet, though.

 

[qqwref]

I think it's important to point out that anyone who wants to can practice big cubes on the hi-games applet. Sure, it's a bit hard to use, but if you are good at that you will be decent at real cubes. For example - when Clancy showed me his 7x7x7 at EPGY the first solve I did was 7:32. (Then I did a 6:15 later that weekend.) Sure, I'm good at computer cubes, but someone who's had a V-Cube for less than a week can still get decent times if they take proper advantage of what's available to them now. So I wouldn't really have a problem, on fairness grounds, if there was a 6x6 or 7x7 event in a competition soon after the release of V-cubes (allowing for shipping time)...

 

[ExoCorsair]

I think it's important to point out that anyone who wants to can practice big cubes on the hi-games applet.

Good point, and there are other programs that work, like IsoCubeSim and Gabbasoft.